Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/UrduPoint (2nd nomination)

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The result was keep. Doczilla _{@SUPERHEROLOGIST} 07:17, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

UrduPoint

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non-notable media outlet, I checked under the urdu name/spelling (اردو پوائنٹ) and found even less sourcing, which indicates to me that this is a complete notability fail despite the many attempts to spam it crosswiki. PICKLEDICAE🥒 18:06, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Websites and Pakistan. Shellwood (talk) 18:35, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Unfortunately, not much evidence of notability. The previous AfD nomination was spammed by unexplained Keep votes, whose only rationale had to do with alexa rankings, and OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. I highly suspect paid editing is involved here... Handmeanotherbagofthemchips (talk) 14:57, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Strongly Keep We have already discussed traffic and other things like Urdu point was among less than one dozen sites that are freely available in Pakistan on internet.org, in the previous nomination. After that now UrduPoint is the Official digital media partner of Multan Sultans in Pakistan Super League, the biggest sports event in Pakistan. There are 7.43 million subscribers and 2.29 billion video views of the UrduPoint Youtube channel. Facebook fans are also in millions. Here are some very credible links who source UrduPoint 1(Tribune), 2 (Dawn), 3 (rt.com) and 4 (unodc.org).--Ameen Akbar (talk) 21:17, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Facebook fans, traffic is worthless. PICKLEDICAE🥒 21:23, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I know, but it give you little idea of its popularity. Its notability is not completely based on social media. UrduPoint is among top website of Pakistan since 22 years. Ameen Akbar (talk) 07:52, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - What we should not expect is a direct significant coverage of a news site on other rival news sites. Obviously, the competitors don't acknowledge each other's existence in the field. Therefore, we should look for separate criteria for a media outlet like UrduPoint. I have two points to make:
It is notable that the site is referenced as a reliable source in other national and international news media as mentioned by Ameen Akbar: 1(Tribune), 2 (Dawn), 3 (rt.com), and 4 (unodc.org)
Many Wikipedians (including me) find and cite UrduPoint as a reliable source while creating Pakistan-related articles. Deleting a news site's page will close the door to other content as well and this will definitely hurt the expansion of Wikipedia. There must be a tool to find out how often UrduPoint has been cited on Wikipedia and this should be seen as a consensus of the community over a news source.

Insight 3 (talk) 03:35, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, as per User:امین اکبر and User:Insight 3 above. USaamo ^(t@lk) 06:29, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep I was not able to find anything significant on UrduPoint but Google Books points to a number of reliable books that cite it. I'm basing my weak keep argument on those high-level citations but I know this is not enough, and thus I don't have any problems with deletion either. Just adding my two cents, being considered a reliable source does not make any website a notable one on Wikipedia. However, I agree that there should be some considerations about notability criteria about news portals. Why would any news portal (independent) think to cover any different news portal? ─ The Aafī (talk) 13:36, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I agree with the comment that "we should not expect direct significant coverage of a news site on rival news sites". It is one of the largest and oldest digital media site in Pakistan. Thanks Fifthapril (talk) 13:43, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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