Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tyer Allen

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Please contact me for userfication if any of these are likely to pass ATH or GNG. Thanks. Black Kite (t) (c) 22:43, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Tyer Allen

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Following on from Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abraham Cohen (rugby league) I am nominating this and the following articles created by Youndbuckerz (talk · contribs) on North American rugby league players which are likely to all remain Permastub's. Rugby league in North America is not a professional sport. None of them appear to have received significant coverage as per the WP:GNG. While some of them may have played for either the US or Canadian RL team, the recent discussions on the RL notability criteria at WP:NSPORT concluded that that was not likely to show that the players would likely meet the WP:GNG and there for these should be deleted.

Before this nomination I posted this list at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rugby league#More Youndbuckerz RL players for comment. Codf1977 (talk) 08:24, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

* Delete all except Akarika Dawn. Dawn played and started in Division I college football with Colorado. --TM 15:45, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Going through a few random ones, I found several (like Zack Padgett, Phil Sipos, Conway Maraki, David Faimanifo, [Vea Ofa]]) who competed for the US national team. I suggest that the nominator go through more thoroughly.--TM 15:49, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

as I say in the nom, that is no indication of meeting the WP:GNG and in this case they don't. Codf1977 (talk) 16:03, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Relist selectivelyI think the wider community standard is that reliable evidence of being on the national team is sufficient to prove notability,; the GNG is not the only means of showing notability, and it says as much on the guideline page. The relationship between WP:N and specific standards can be whatever the community decides. In any case, has the nom checked for additional refs, for every individual one of the people who have been on the national team? DGG ( talk ) 17:37, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I did go through the list and as I say in the nom, the list was posted to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rugby league#More Youndbuckerz RL players for a week so others could likewise look at it. Codf1977 (talk) 07:12, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Playing for the US national team is most certainly not notable in rugby league. There is no wide community standard to that effect. The community standard in NSPORT is quite the opposite: that playing in a national team is only an indication of notability for a few countries (eg Australia, New Zealand, Fiji, England). We need to face a few realities. First, these are totally non-notable amateur footballers. Secondly, they are BLPs on the watchlist of one editor. A batch nomination and deletion is entirely appropriate here because the articles clearly fall foul of the very sensible standards that the community (in this case, in an exceptionally mature decision process) has set for rugby league players. --Mkativerata (talk) 21:05, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom and Mkativerata. Community consensus regarding notability of sports persons is not uniform across all sports. In the case of rugby league the current consensus is that national teams such as those of the US and Canada do not automatically confer notability. Jimmy Pitt talk 23:21, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:27, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: As much as I hate to say it, they all don't meet the notability guidelines and so they all have to be delete. Mattlore (talk) 05:23, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep all most of them are well created pages i have tried my best to create them and i know they dont look the best also another thing to point out they say that rugby league in the US, Canada is just an amateur sport but that is the case in most other countries except Australia, England and Wales, New Zealand and France you look at countries like Fiji, Samoa, Tonga, Cook Islands, Ireland, Scotland, South Africa, Italy, Serbia, Lebanon that have some of their national team players on wikipedia i think it is fair to just keep them all, they are developing quite quickly (Canada got 1,400 fans to their first game in about 15 years http://www.thewhig.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2764322 YB 07:49, 27 September 2010 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Youndbuckerz (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this XfD. Spatulli (talk) 11:37, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

How they look is not the issue, it is all about are the players listed notable, and at this time RL in North America is a very minor sport and despite my post to your talk page here you made no effort to work on them to establish notability all you did was post to the project page here saying that "They have represented their counrties so they should be notable. If you keep deleting my pages i will not bother to improve rugby league pages on wikipedia anymore" which was not helpful. Codf1977 (talk) 08:07, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Because every page i create is almost all the time up for deletion i log on to wikipedia and it says, new messages. Im sick of that. Stop nominating my pages for deletion. That goes for all of you, i know what i am doing i have been editing for about almost 4 years now. I know how to create a page and there are thousands of other people who come on to edit wikipedia. This is a place where people come and read information about certain things and i am here to provide the best possible details about things that i know about, stop deleting them you are wasting my time and other peoples who go out and try to provide the information and it ends up getting deleted if you want to make a proper contribution why dont you's all go out and help me improve them? Why do you all keep trying to find ways to delete my pages especially Mattlore, Codf1977, Mkativerata. I am one of the best rugby league editors on wikipedia and you dont want me :( YB 08:50, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all per WP:Notability (sports), playing for the US national team is not notable in rugby league. Spatulli (talk) 11:30, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Another one who meets notability is Siose Muliumu who played for Limoux against Wigan in the Challenge Cup, before all these gets deleted i suggest that they get checked thoroughly through references provided in pages and through google. If playing in a world cup qualifying match does that mean they are notable enough?YB 23:55, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Playing for SL club in the Challenge Cup is an indication of probable notability, but playing for any Elite One Championship side is not, where as playing in a match in a World cup tournament is, but not in a pre-tournament qualifying match (unless it is for a RL county who playing for the national side is an indication of notability any way). Codf1977 (talk) 08:52, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all as per nom and Mkativerata. -- P 1 9 9 • TALK 16:25, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.