Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stimulator (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep bd2412 T 18:45, 8 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Stimulator

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Mostly self-published sources; written by paid group account sockmasterr User:Expewikiwriter, who is known to abuse sources, meaning we can't even trust the presented facts without independent verification of them; only claim of notability - their use in a commercial and in television shows - are cited to a blog and uncited respectively, and, even if true, does not, in fact, show sufficient notability for the requirements of WP:BAND. Article was previously deleted for lack of notability; things haven't changed with the recreated version. 86.** IP (talk) 12:22, 1 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Even if the guy writing it is paid, the band appears to be notable.JoelWhy (talk) 14:06, 1 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
~~Comment~~ Delete Article suggests they'd be notable through WP:BAND with 2 albums released through major labels. However I don't see any evidence of that fact. I'm struggling to find substantial media coverage in unambiguously reliable sources. --Colapeninsula (talk) 14:31, 1 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Stimulator 2 is released by Orchard Records or CDBY or possibly even Stimulator Records, but I can find no evidence it was ever released by MGM, and if it was, they gave up the contract pretty easily. Lovelier in Black is released by Stimulator Records, not Universal. You may ask whether it's possible the named labels actually released them? Well, all I'll say is that earlier today, in a different article, I discovered him claiming the role of "Acrobat Thug One" in Batman Begins was one of the actor's "lead and supporting lead roles" in notable movies. And none of the other roles were much more notable; the most notable role of his I could find - and the only one that even appears in plot summaries - was Ryan in Cliffhanger_(film), and you can see just how notable that one is. Frankly, I don't think we can trust a word the editor said about them. 86.** IP (talk) 15:02, 1 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It's not looking notable. I'm also suspicious about the articles on band members Susan Hyatt and Geoff Tyson, which aren't by the same writer but also have no evidence of notability, tho I've not tried googling them. --Colapeninsula (talk) 16:26, 1 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure if this is important or not, but the previously deleted version says that the record was distributed by MGM Distribution, which is completely different to Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer. SmartSE (talk) 22:45, 1 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Just for transparency: I've discovered the really blatant lies I mentioned above were part of a copyvio of the actor in question's gross exaggerations. However, there's still things like the incident discussed WP:Articles for deletion/Richard Finney where the sources were used misleadingly. 86.** IP (talk) 13:30, 2 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I agree that even if the person who wrote this was paid, the band appears to be notable. I might be misinterpreting the standards but I'd assume their songs being featured in commercials would count for #10 (though like the page says I know that one alone isn't enough to warrant keeping a page). Here is what I could find for their releases on Dead Famous Records and Genepool Records. KhanadaRhodes (talk) 08:33, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well, #10 says it must be used as part of a longer, notable work; commercials (with the occasional exception) surely aren't notable in themselves. 86.** IP (talk) 11:32, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The band has a song that was included on ABC's Body Of Proof. I would also challenge the comment that commercials are not notable, when there are boards like AdTunes and others devoted to finding out what band / songs are used in commercials. VeritosNow (talk) 23:56, 4 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Notable National Tours DuranDuran / The GoGos VeritosNow (talk) 15:00, 7 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep What many people don't understand about the music business is the difference between licensing a record and being straight on a record label. Many artists, including Stimulator, make their records first and are self-sufficient. They then license the records to various labels. In Stimulator's case, Universal acted as a distributor. Artists do this to retain the rights to their music. Stimulator @ The Orchard. Joss Stone, Green Day, and many other artists use The Orchard in a similar manner. VeritosNow (talk) 15:02, 7 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Inclusion on notable compilation album - Ella Enchanted Soundtrack VeritosNow (talk) 15:04, 7 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:59, 1 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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