Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Soundwave (Transformers)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. As an editor who's nominated a pile of Transformers articles for deletion recently, I'm pretty sure no-one's going to complain if I close this early as a Keep. Regardless of the socking, it was a ludicrous nomination anyway. There might not be many notable characters in the franchise, but this is one of them. The non-free abuse still needs fixing, though, and I will do so soon if no-one else does. Black Kite (t) (c) 00:09, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Soundwave (Transformers)

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Non-notable toy/fictional character. Fails WP:GNG - no significant reliable independent coverage exists. Blest Withouten Match (talk) 17:53, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep or Merge into a character list. One of the more memorable Transformers, if perhaps more for being weird (a tape deck?) than anything else. Level of coverage is probably excessive, but nothing that can't be solved though normal editing/merging. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 18:02, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:15, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Proof the Transformers Deletionist Patrol doesn't even read the articles before nominating them! This article cites Time Magazine, USA Today and Toyfare magazine articles on the character. Mathewignash (talk) 21:11, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't nominate it, but I did skim through it. The Time mention seems to be a whole sentence, that in USA Today is a whole paragraph. Nothing to get excited about really. Angus McLellan (Talk) 21:27, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and that goes for all Transformers related articles. GoodDay (talk) 21:42, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
if you took your machete and cut away all the primary source and blogs etc and got to the reliable third party sources, you would get maybe 2 or three sentences that you could source properly. No need for a stand alone stub of that length. Merge to List of Transformer Characters (or similar). Active Banana ( ^bananaphone 22:15, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - notable character within the Transformers franchise, which appeared in the toyline, cartoon, comic books, and film. BOZ (talk) 22:45, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Prove it. If it's notable provide significant coverage in reliable third party sources.--Crossmr (talk) 00:00, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Merge A sentence and a paragraph are not significant coverage for a subject.--Crossmr (talk) 00:00, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or Redirect All of the stuff only extend within the franchise. Many of these source fail as reliable as they are mostly fansites and messages boards. Which a lot of these articles are plagued with. Characters getting their own toys, appearing in various books within the franchise are not characteristics of nobility All information on Soundwave incarnation should be moved to more relevant character lists. Sarujo (talk) 00:30, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I don't know much about Transformers and so trawled the sources where I found masses of information. This characters is a leader of the Decepticons and has been noticed by numerous publications including Time magazine and the New Yorker. There are sourcebooks which provide lots of detailed information and there will be no difficulty in supporting an article here. The general approach to these articles should be to merge/redirect where the character is a bit part or retention/development where the character is a major one like this. This is our policy and deletion is not needed to implement it. The spamming of AFD with all these nominations seems disruptive contrary to our deletion policy. Note that the nominator has been blocked indefinitely. Colonel Warden (talk) 07:40, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Just to point out, Soundwave has never been leader. Sarujo (talk) 07:59, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Just to point out, he has been leader- in the Marvel UK Transformers comic - to quote the article "Soundwave also attained the leadership position in the future world of 2008, following the death of Shockwave (who had seized power when Galvatron travelled back in time). Soundwave led his era's Decepticons back to 1989 to participate in the Time Wars when the fabric of reality began to crumble, but before as the conflict came to a head they fled back to their own time.". Mathewignash (talk) 09:39, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - - Your quoting sources would be more effective if you were actually quoting reliable sources and not a wikipedia article. Active Banana ( ^bananaphone 14:49, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

So see this reliable source which details this matter and other stories about Soundwave. Colonel Warden (talk) 15:31, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

NOTE The nominator has been blocked as a sockpuppet of Claritas. Mathewignash (talk) 09:53, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Seems like this one should be notable, but the current sources in the article really don't justify a standalone article. If the Transformers fans here really wanna salvage something from these discussions, IMO I'd suggest sprucing this one up. Tarc (talk) 17:21, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I have not collected several BOOKS on the subject of Transformers made by third parties, so I'm hoping to spend the weekend citing the crap out of them for sources on the dozen or so major characters to keep them safe. Mathewignash (talk) 19:53, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I dunno what do to with it, maybe some sort of humor essay, but WP:CITETHECRAPOUTOFIT has a nice ring . Tarc (talk) 14:54, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep but the article should be about G1 soundwave and his various incarnations. Beast Wars mutant Soundwave doesn't really belong. NotARealWord (talk) 16:15, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural keep as a sockpuppet nomination by Claritas (talk · contribs). No prejudices against renomination after a week to give time for the other butt-load of Transformers AfDs to worth themselves through, which may give guidance on what to do with this article. —Farix (t | c) 23:07, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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