Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shubhanshu Shukla

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. Closing early per WP:SNOW. A strong consensus has already formed, and keeping this discussion open longer is unproductive. (non-admin closure) PrinceTortoise (he/him • poke) 18:05, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Shubhanshu Shukla

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This subject is not notable, the coverage about him is all for a single event. See WP:BLP1E. All of the sources covering him are from WP:NEWSORGINDIA lacking bylines, having a promotional tone or being puff pieces in general. Wareon (talk) 10:05, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

He is very notable, see Axiom Mission 1, Axiom Mission 2, Axiom Mission 3, every crew members have their own page. And India has their own Indian Human Spaceflight Programme which is an astronaut program itself just like NASA , Roscosmos and JAXA. Ghosted Editor (talk) 10:10, 26 June 2025 (UTC) Sock[reply]

And also why we are even discussing this when Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Angad Pratap the decision already made for Shubhanshu Shukla and Prasanth Nair article should be Kept and rest two i,e Angad Pratap and Ajit Krishnan should be opened when they will be in orbit.

~~So from my side STRONG KEEP. Ghosted Editor (talk) 10:13, 26 June 2025 (UTC)~~ Sock[reply]

~~Also you are against the Indian news see this BBC: [1] and [2], Arab News: [3], The Guardian: [4] etc. Ghosted Editor (talk) 10:20, 26 June 2025 (UTC)~~ Sock[reply]

~~also The Washington Post: [5], NYT: [6] Ghosted Editor (talk) 10:22, 26 June 2025 (UTC)~~ Sock[reply]

These sources prove my point that he is only notable for this launch, nothing else. These articles only cover his role in the mission. Read WP:BLP1E carefully. Wareon (talk) 10:27, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is not a single event. He is gonna fly Gaganyaan-4 and may be in near some other mission may be Soyuz MS. See the astronaut page Zena Cardman she still yet to fly the SpaceX Crew-11 mission but her page is still there without any issue. Ghosted Editor (talk) 10:36, 26 June 2025 (UTC) Sock[reply]

And also if you have a problem with specially astronaut why not you nominate the same deletion for astronaut Sławosz Uznański-Wiśniewski and astronaut Tibor Kapu... Why India? WHY?? I don't see any logic here? Ghosted Editor (talk) 10:41, 26 June 2025 (UTC) Sock[reply]

Good point. He’s also the second Indian in space, the first in the 21st century. He needs this page 49.206.224.42 (talk) 11:00, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Shubhanshu Shukla is a famous personality because-

1) Second Indian in Space. First Indian to travel to space in the 21st century.[7][8]

2) First Indian to participate in the space program as a mission pilot.

3) First Indian in ISS.

4) First Indian astronaut in space under a commercial spaceflight program.[9]

5) He, along with other three astronauts (Prasanth Nair, Angad Pratap and Ajit Krishnan) were selected for historic Gaganyaan mission, India's first indigenous crewed mission. Later, part of a commitment announced by then US President Donald Trump and Indian PM Narendra Modi during Modi's 2019 US visit, two of that group were selected for Axiom Mission-4 (joint mission of NASA, ISRO, ESA, HSO, POLSA, SpaceX, Axiom Space).

6) He is Group Captian and is serving as test pilot in Indian Air Force with about 2,000 hours of flying experience in various aircraft, including the Su-30 MKI, MiG-21, MiG-29, Jaguar, Hawk, Dornier 228, and An-32. He has notable military career also. So, he is selected for the mission pilot for Ax-4 mission and going to play a very important role in this mission.

7) These prove the point that he is not only notable for this launch, he is going to play a important role in the history in Indian Human Spaceflight Programme, consisting of Gaganyaan programmes and leading to future human spaceflight programmes of the country like, Bharatiya Antariksha Station (2028-2035), crewed mission on Moon (within 2040) etc.

Astronauts from NASA , Roscosmos, ESA, JAXA and other government owned/ private space agencies (infact many who are yet to fly) have their pages. So, why it is not applicable for astronauts of ISRO representing India, one of the leading country in space exploration.

Wikipedia is not a platform to show and express own personal opinion and biasness towards a person, an organization, a community, a nation and a country. Before editing and nominating an article for deletion in Wikipedia, first make a study on that topic in details from reputed sources. I expect you will stop making multiple strikes on these article and remove your nomination for deletion, as soon as possible. AdGhosh (talk) 13:21, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Military, Aviation, Spaceflight, and Uttar Pradesh. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 10:47, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Keep - passes WP:BIO and WP:GNG with WP:RS. 14.139.127.131 (talk) 11:21, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Non-Indian sources also showing notability. One of four members of the crew, ample of news coverage about this person. Oaktree b (talk) 11:55, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
BBC as above, this AFP article in French [10], showing international notice of the individual. Oaktree b (talk) 11:57, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Passes WP:GNG. He's India's first astronaut after 41 years, so naturally Indian news oganisations will cover him. Besides, here's dedicated coverage from BBC, BBC (2), France24, Bloomberg. Plus, there is general coverage on the spaceflight along with his biography in it from most major outlets. Regardless, it does not meet the 3 criteria to be deleted as a WP:BLP1E: 1. He has been covered for at least two events - with regards to Axiom Mission 4 and Indian Human Spaceflight Programme, 2. Is not likely to remain low-profile due to his upcoming commitment in IHSP, 3. Both events are significant and the subject's role well-documented, even in news articles which only cover the spaceflight in general. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 11:57, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Fails WP:N, and this is a case of WP:BLP1E. The above !vote is not based on our strict P&G on the notability of BLPs and has misrepresented previous AfD where consensus emerged to redirect these articles. Koshuri ^(グ) 11:59, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
KEEP Literally for Christ Sake.... I don't think your response have any weight. Don't you understand what I have just said. There are several astronaut page who have not flown to space yet but they have an wikipedia page because they are very notable for example:
Zena Cardman

Rosemary Coogan

Pablo Álvarez Fernández

Raphaël Liégeois

Marco Sieber
~~and there are more.~~

IF SOMEONE IS IN ORBIT, they are utterly NOTABLE for the sake of HUMANITY. And Shubhanshu Shukla is already in Orbit right now even in ISS which is not easy to achieve by every country. India has achieve this marvelous goal. That's why astronaut Shukla page is very notable. Ghosted Editor (talk) 12:09, 26 June 2025 (UTC) Sock[reply]
Keep per Oaktree b and CX Zoom. The sources are clearly sufficient to meet GNG, and I think CX Zoom has accurately explained why BLP1E does not apply here. MCE89 (talk) 12:13, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Passes WP:GNG - Astronauts generally are notable for one event. Sally Ride and Neil Armstrong for instance, who were the first in their specific achievements. — Maile (talk) 12:20, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Passes WP:1E - As per this - If the event is highly significant, and the individual's role within it is a large one, a separate article is generally appropriate. The subject(Shubhanshu Shukla) will be playing large role in carrying out missions for first Indian Human Spaceflight Program "Gaganyaan" by ISRO. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jainayush362 (talk • contribs) 12:46, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep else, if this article is deleted I will ask you guys to allow me in deleting all the unflown astronauts, one time flown astronauts, all astronauts who one flew under iss programme (one event), all one timer space tourists. Check the time when they were announced I had started nominating all such pages for deletion, but none were deleted. ‍—⚰️NΛSΛ B1058 (TALK) 13:53, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Absolutely, if his page gets deleted, then the pages for all the other members of the crew should also be deleted. This singling out of a VERY NOTABLE astronaut is absurd. 182.69.182.194 (talk) 13:58, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
My attempt when initial they were being deleted during Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Angad Pratap for non flown astronauts but even on deletion nomination all stand and deletion nominations were deleted (even for soviet cosomoanuts) at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&target=RIP+B1058&namespace=all&tagfilter=&start=2024-03-15&end=2024-03-15&limit=50

Another massive point if Shubhanshu Shukla is under WP:NEWSORGINDIA, all Chinese taikonauts that we create pages are under WP:NEWSORGCHINA if it exists for example Chen Zhongrui (2 citations of xinhua news agency and one of China Science and Technology Network, all from china) who is currently in space and all his page material is from Chinese News portal and this is the same for all Shenzhou 12-20 rookies (one time fliers). Now tell me which taikonaut (other nation later) is ready for deletion? Don't tell me there's censorship over western media in China so we depend on contemporary or domestic sources of china. All news from China and North Korea depends 90% on their domestic sources, so what is wrong if indian sources are used for Indian stuff. (All selective outrage) ‍—⚰️NΛSΛ B1058 (TALK) 14:44, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as per @RIP B1058 about the China's astronaut. I agree. Indian Astronaut should not face any discrimination like this. We are the only South Asian country who is in ISS and even investing so much in Outer Space. I don't know why there is so much rage against our Indian Astronauts. 2405:201:900C:D17F:75C1:A0DE:6676:4CE6 (talk) 14:52, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Long message so broken) Earlier I used to make Chinese taikonauts pages the best I made for Jiang Xinlin (one of the best translations from other Wikipedia done by my side and was accepted while I was an IP editor) can get max 3/13 non Chinese sources while spending half a day in searching for citations. ‍—⚰️NΛSΛ B1058 (TALK) 14:52, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Before the launch of Shenzhou 20, Chinese Agency did not share the name of their two Taikonauts i,e Chen Zhongrui and Wang Jie. But when they are in orbit right now of course they also deserve page and as the Chinese space are secretive about their own astronauts yes there are very less news articles and much of them are from China itself. Ghosted Editor (talk) 14:56, 26 June 2025 (UTC) Sock[reply]
What's the point of removing a page about an Indian astronaut who is on the ISS? Without attacking the person, I think it's ridiculous that you would do this. Wikipedia isn't for these things. Lately, it's been terrible with some editors wanting to remove all pages, even those about tourist missions. Lazaro Fernandes (talk) 15:41, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep. I agree with much of the above. 🟥⭐ ^{talk to me!} 14:51, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Double Strongest Keep I Agree with all of the above points mentioned under keep.Sukshmadarshinisrilanka (talk) 15:04, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think it is time the discussion should end because as per @Lazaro Fernandes it is of-course ridiculous to delete a notable astronaut page and also the deletion tag on the article does not look good. Let's complete the discussion. Literally @everyone here is saying Keep.... can we call an administrator here who can take the decision to end this discussion neutrally? (Actually I don't know how to end it that's why I said Admin so don't mind may be it can be anyone) Ghosted Editor (talk) 15:51, 26 June 2025 (UTC) Sock[reply]

Overwhelming Keep; I admit, the article does has its issues, but seeing that he is going to be an influential person who might appear in the media for some more time, potentially piloting our Indigenous Human spaceflight, I don't see the point of deleting this. I request a speedy close on this matter. RΔ𝚉🌑R-𝕏 (talk) 16:19, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep As per analysis by CX Zoom, Oaktree b and Maile66. They are notable irrespective of WP:BLP1E Agent 007 (talk) 17:46, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Double Speedy keep. It passes WP:GNG, WP:1E and WP:BIO and also got massive coverage in several WP:RS including international ones. The astronaut discussed here is currently in the ISS and will go again to space in India's Gaganyan mission, as he is the only 1 of the 4 astronauts to be named out currently considering his skills, experience and knowledge. Clearly the motive to raise this deletion is highly questionable, outright biased and definitely not in a good faith. All news sources even BBC, CNN, WaPo have branded content and advertorial section, so does the Indian sources mentioned in the NEWSORGIndia, it's clearly mentioned to check and verify articles from these sources weather they are branded or not and not simply ignore these sources outrightly. I suggest the user who bought this up to read the NEWSORGIndia clause firstly. The articles wrt the Axiom mission covering Shubhanshu Shukla clearly aren't paid and doesn't have any disclosure of branded promotion either and also have a lot of Indian and international WP:RS sources listed here. So I demand a Strong Keep and Speedy close this matter asap by the respective admin. Editking100 (talk) 17:48, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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