Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shi'a Islam in Kuwait

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Tow talk 02:09, 5 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Shi'a Islam in Kuwait

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Completely unsourced Ilikecod (talk) 05:44, 20 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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So source it. We don't delete articles just for that.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 12:02, 20 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 19:55, 20 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Middle East-related deletion discussions. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 19:55, 20 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - I agree that a lack of sources is, by itself, a weak reason to delete an article about a notable topic – and the topic of Shi'a Islam in Kuwait undoubtedly is notable. However, minimal-length articles, like this one, generally should be expanded or merged elsewhere until there is sufficient content to justify a split. Unfortunately, that is not a viable option since the lack of sources means that none of the article's meager content is useable, either for expansion or merging to Islam in Kuwait.
That leaves three options: rewrite, redirect or delete. If anyone is willing to rewrite the article from scratch, it could certainly be kept; however, anyone thinking of doing so should consider adding the content to the article Islam in Kuwait. The page could be turned into a redirect but a red link might be more useful, insofar as it encourages article creation. If the page is redirected, it should be deleted first to hide the likely copyright violation that is preserved in its history. -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 05:46, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Note: The article was redirected and the AfD closed by the nominator, and then closed procedurally by an uninvolved editor. I've reverted both actions. I've no doubt that the redirect was done in good faith as a compromise, but the outcome of a deletion discussion should not be decided and implemented by the nominator, especially when no one else in the discussion has argued for that particular outcome. I don't mind the article being converted into a redirect, though I've noted my preference for leaving it a red link, but it should be done after the article's page history (which contains a probable copyright violation) has been deleted. -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 15:45, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Shi'a Islam in Kuwait is a significant enough topic to mention on its own, given the size of the Kuwati Shi'a population, and the effect of Shi'a - Sunni differences on Kuwait's history and in comparison to the effect of Shi'a - Sunni differences in the surrounding areas. This article desperately needs expansion, but it is a topic worth an article. Jztinfinity (talk) 02:18, 28 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I agree about the topic, but I'd say that the article needs quite a bit more than just expansion. It needs to be written entirely from scratch since none of the existing content – what little there is – is usable, being that it is unsourced and imprecise ("30 to 40%", "20 to 40 ... mosques"). It even contradicts the figures provided in Islam in Kuwait. In other words, I don't disagree with you that an article should exist, but why keep content that is unusable for any future article? -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 03:56, 28 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 16:15, 28 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep. Problems with the article as it stands are not grounds for deletion. If it lacks sources, find sources and add them. Graham E. Fuller, Rend Rahim Francke (2001). The Arab Shi'a: The Forgotten Muslims. Palgrave Macmillan. ISBN 0312239564. has a 19-page chapter on the subject, the first 17 pages of which are available in the google books preview of the book, so you ought to be able to source most of the article from this if you want. JulesH (talk) 16:36, 28 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- It doesn't say that there are 400 to 600 hussainias and 20 to 40 mosques or that they live in Kuwait City. It also doesn't say that they came from Iraq, Iran and Bahrain. Ilikecod (talk) 13:52, 29 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That is true. I cannot find any references that say that. As a matter of fact, there are widely-varying estimates of the percentage of Kuwait's population who are Shia (anywhere from 15% to 40%). I did find a source for the 30% figure. I also found a source stating origins of the Shi'a population, and modified the article.Keep.Marikafragen (talk) 04:25, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Topic itself is clearly notable, and AFD is not cleanup. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:46, 5 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.