Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Reynold Rapp Residence

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The result was merge to Spalding, Saskatchewan. Overall consensus is to merge to Spalding, Saskatchewan. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:22, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Reynold Rapp Residence

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This house appears in the Canadian Register of Historic Places, but unlike the US register, the Canadian register appears not to require the pre-existence or the creation of significant reliable sources: it's merely a compilation of places designated as historic by any participating government. Perhaps a place designated by the federal government would require the creation or pre-existence of significant documentation, but this house has been named a historic site by its local government (either the Rural Municipality of Spalding No. 368, total population 447, or the Village of Spalding, population 242), and that's it. Small local governments can easily create historic sites without any documentation, since residents can testify from memory about past events that aren't documented anywhere — as such, we can't possibly assume that a local historic site is necessarily notable. There's a three-paragraph writeup at [1], but that's all I've found; all seventeen Google hits appear to be mirrors of our article or the writeup. Moreover, can we trust the tiny writeup? It's seemingly a copy of a local bylaw, which is hardly a reliable source for formal historic-preservation purposes: it shows what the town council thinks is important, but we can't assume that their sentiments are shared by professionals. And finally, the first paragraph talks about the namesake resident (obviously notable on WP:POLITICIAN grounds), and the rest says it's significant because it typifies period houses and it has a bunch of elements remaining from Rapp's period, and then there's a single long sentence talking about a few of the architectural elements. This is nowhere near significant coverage, and an ordinary house built in the 1920s likely won't get significant coverage in print. Nyttend (talk) 22:40, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. ―Abelmoschus Esculentus ^{talk / contribs} 01:44, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. ―Abelmoschus Esculentus ^{talk / contribs} 01:44, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 08:38, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment A provincial heritage site would require a detailed nomination form. Provincial Heritage Property Designation and Provincial Heritage Property Designation Nomination Form (blank). However, a municipal heritage site merely requires notice. Municipal Heritage Property Designation and Notice of Intention to Designate an Municipal Heritage Property. For what it's worth, the residence does get what appears to be a brief mention in a University of Regina Press book: Our Towns: Saskatchewan Communities from Abbey to Zenon Park. 24.151.50.175 (talk) 15:51, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the details; I had suspicions but couldn't prove them. I think this source ought to be ignored: obviously it's a reliable source, but there are just four Rapp-related sentences, and two of them discuss Rapp himself without addressing the house. Nyttend (talk) 19:35, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I am in agreement that this source, standing alone, does not constitute significant coverage, particularly as an historic building. I was wondering if the Reynold Rapp Museum, as a possible move target (it's currently a redirect to this article), might have received more coverage offline inasmuch as it appears to have been around since circa 1972 when Rapp donated the residence. I am not finding significant coverage of the museum online beyond the usual tourist listings and tripadvisor reports. Alternatively, one might merge this brief article to the biography of Reynold Rapp and redirect both the residence and the museum to that article, inasmuch as the donation of the property for the purpose as a town museum is a biographical detail of his life and legacy. 24.151.50.175 (talk) 16:59, 1 January 2019 (UTC) 24.151.50.175 (talk) 16:59, 1 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to the tiny hamlet of Spalding, Saskatchewan where a nice paragraph already exists. I cannot find sufficient sourcing to support a page.E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:55, 2 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Scott (talk) 00:02, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Merge, I also suggest to the Spalding, Saskatchewan article. I think the text of this article is better than the paragraph in the Spalding article, so would suggest replacing it with this. The Our Towns book mentioned above has only two short sentences about the heritage building, with less information than this article has. I have found two pieces in the local paper, one about the donation of the house [2], one about the opening [3], which could be added as references, but are certainly not enough to meet WP:GNG or WP:ORGCRITE. RebeccaGreen (talk) 02:48, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to Spalding, Saskatchewan per sensible suggestions above. --Lockley (talk) 18:50, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - an article at Reynold Rapp Museum doesn't seem impossible to support, but editors interested could easilly expand the article at Rapp and/or Spaulding with an eye to such an article in the future if it is fitting, so I weakly support some sort of merge. In the meantime, here is an article at newspapers.com about the creation of the museum: https://www.newspapers.com/image/509659232/. Smmurphy^(Talk) 22:42, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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