Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Quadling Country

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The result was merge‎ to Land of Oz#Quadling Country. I'm going of the argument of one participant and closing this as a Merge rather than a Redirect as there is only a brief mention of this subject at the target article. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:35, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Quadling Country

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This article was brought to my attention after it was brought up in the Wikipedia Discord server, and I did some digging on my own, and this location doesn't seem to be independently notable of The Wonderful Wizard of Oz. The current article's sources are entirely plot summaries and what appears to be a self-published blog post, and a BEFORE in News, Books, and Scholar turned up nothing except TRIVIALMENTIONS, plot summary, and the text of the original work it was featured in. This article doesn't satisfy GNG given a distinct lack of SIGCOV, and should likely be redirected to Land of Oz, where the subject is mentioned several times and of which Quadling Country is apart of in-universe, as an AtD. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 01:35, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements and Literature. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 01:35, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. A search only shows WP:TRIVIALMENTIONs and plot recaps, without WP:SIGCOV that can provide meaningful reception and analysis. A redirect to Land of Oz could be an WP:ATD. Shooterwalker (talk) 03:47, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Land of Oz. There is detail and there is insane level of detail and this is the latter. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 05:59, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Land of Oz - While there are plenty of mentions of it as part of broader discussions of Oz as a whole, I am not really seeing enough significant coverage on Quadling specifically that would really justify having a separate article. As it is discussed throughout the main article on the Land of Oz, redirecting there is a preferable WP:ATD. Rorshacma (talk) 07:04, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect. I went through the sources and added one. For the sake of explanation, I'm going to exclude the primary source since that can't give notability. That leaves us with three sources:

The Dictionary of Imaginary Places: Written by a very notable academic (Alberto Manguel) and put out by a reliable publisher, the source looks great on the surface. The issue with it is that as others have stated, it is just an overview of Oz history with no critical insight into any of it. I'd see this as generally usable for notability-purposes, but it's not the strongest possible source when it comes to establishing how a specific country within Oz is notable.
Fairy Tales Reimagined. This was one I added. It's a McFarland book, so definitely usable as a source without question. The book does give some critical overview into the world from what I can see, although it's somewhat mentioned more in relation to the character of Elphaba in Gregory Maguire's Wicked.
Nathan DeHoff blog: This is a SPS, so the issue here is twofold: is this person someone who would be considered a RS enough to overturn the general consensus that SPS are unusable and if so, does the source help establish notability. To answer the first part, I think that DeHoff could generally be considered a RS on the topic of Oz. He's written a few pieces for The Baum Bugle and he was also used as a resource this McFarland book. He's also been published by a couple of the more major, notable Oz organizations. That last part is a bit murky as far as establishing him as a RS goes, but does point towards him being generally considered an authority since those groups are kind of selective. However even if we were to all agree that DeHoff and his blog is usable, the bigger issue is with the second part of the problem. Coverage of the country is pretty light and when some commentary is given, it's not really about the country itself. At best this would make it a general overview of the history/plot of Oz.

I couldn't find any other sources. This leaves us with two sources that summarize the country in relation to Oz history but no critical commentary that would show why this country is independently notable. The other source has commentary, but not enough to do the heavy lifting to make up for the shortcomings of the other two sources. To add to all of this, the country is already generally well covered in the main parent article, to the point where I don't think we really need a spinoff article. I suppose the McFarland source could be used in the Maguire section of the article, but that would be about it. I think a basic redirect would suffice here. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 16:33, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral Here is an entry in The Wizard of Oz Encyclopedia: The Ultimate Guide to the Characters, Lands, Politics, and History of Oz; although the book seems more like a classroom resource for school teachers. There is some brief analysis/commentary in [1], [2], [3], and a rather odd thesis on cooking in Oz which discusses food and recipes in Quadling Country. I think there is maybe enough WP:SIGCOV to have an article, but ultimately it might just be better to cover this in Land of Oz.4meter4 (talk) 19:36, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect the sources above probably pass GNG, but this has such a high degree of overlap with the other page, is almost entirely in-universe content, and there isn't such an overwhelming amount of material to make it a clear pass, so per WP:PAGEDECIDE it is better to just cover it there PARAKANYAA (talk) 07:24, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep if more sources can be found or merge with it's section at Land of Oz in the spirit of WP:PRESERVE. --Rtkat3 (talk) 02:54, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Land of Oz#Quadling Country, seems to be plotcruft of the highest degree. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:19, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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