Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Newbridge Navigator

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 14:52, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Newbridge Navigator

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Tagged as unsourced for over a decade. This seems a fairly minor boat with a limited production, the main thing I found in a search was sale listings. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:54, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. KCVelaga (talk) 18:10, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kpg jhp jm 01:26, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, there seems to be a big second hand market for these boats indicating notability, i also found this [1]. There may be a redirect target, if not the page could be renamed to the parent ship building company. Szzuk (talk) 10:22, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That’s not very compelling towards establishing notability. It certainly isn’t significant coverage from a reliable source. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:07, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I know, I just think there is an alternative to deletion, I don't know what it would be though. Szzuk (talk) 17:12, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Newbridge Boats seems to be getting hits in google books. This was one of their models, so it could be a rename. Szzuk (talk) 17:26, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Newbridge Boats Ltd built the Corribee, I'm not sure if that could be a redirect target. Szzuk (talk) 14:44, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 11:21, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Basic technical data on the boat can be verified at sailboatdata.com. According to this forum, there is a review of the Navigator in Which Boat? published by Practical Boat Owner but it's not online. I suspect there will be several other boating magazine pieces out there, but they will only be found in paper libraries. The existence of the Newbridge Navigator and Venturer Association can be verified from their own website, which currently appears to be dead, but can be found in the archives. SpinningSpark 14:08, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The archived NAVA page on the boat specification is here. SpinningSpark 14:20, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You seem to be arguing against an argument that isn’t being made, that the boat exists is not in doubt. What is in doubt, as is usual in a deletion discussion, is if it has received significant coverage in independent reliable sources. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:07, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The first sentence of your nomination is that the article is unsourced, so its perfectly reasonable to reply to that with sources verifying the content of the article. You then went on to say it had limited production (as if that were an argument for deletion in any case). You have no evidence for the production run and the existence of NAVA, the owners club, shows that it couldn't be that small. Finally, you said you only found sales listings. Well all the links I gave are to something other than sales listings. So au contraire, I feel I was directly responding to your nomination arguments. SpinningSpark 20:53, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sigh, delete. As long as there are no reliable sources actually cited in the article, all the sources found here are of no benefit to readers and the article still fails WP:V. And if nobody adds the sources after three weeks of AfD, it's unlikely that anybody ever will. Sandstein 19:40, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You have identified one of my least favorite things about AFD: people claiming that the sources exist but not using them to improve the content. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:48, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, significant coverage not found online. Newbridge Boats (or Newbridge Yachts) would form an owners' association for several of their boat models,^ref including the Corribee, so the previous existence of the Navigator & Venturer Association (NAVA) does not impress me. NAVA ceased to exist in April 2018.^Ref Sam Sailor 23:43, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.