Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nathan Apodaca

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Dreams (Fleetwood Mac song). Views were split between "keep" and "merge" in the first part of the debate, then "merge" and "delete" with the second. I am unimpressed with the I like it! !votes to keep, which I have ignored for the purpose of consensus. There were several strong arguments for WP:BLP1E, tilting the result towards merge. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 12:16, 31 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nathan Apodaca

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This article would be the prime example of applications of WP:BLP1E. No lasting claim to notability, sustained coverage unlikely, and mostly covered in relation to run of the mill "viral guy" type of coverage. Fails WP:GNG, should be deleted. TryKid ^{[dubious – discuss]} 00:47, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. TryKid ^{[dubious – discuss]} 00:47, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Very few people get covered in the NYTimes, let alone an entire standalone article [1]. He's a prominent social media star, this recently created page has some 10k views, and combined with the coverage of multiple outlets, I'd say he is notable. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 00:39, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep He is known TikTok Star with millions of followers [2] and the article is well written with references in reliable sources that provide significant coverage to satisfy WP:GNG. Charmk (talk) 04:18, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Internet-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 07:31, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Idaho-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 07:32, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Coverd by tons of news outlets, some huge. Known by virtually anyone under 35 if they use social media daily. No chance this article is getting deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.69.153.170 (talk) 08:09, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep - Whilst I agree the article isn't very well written and the IP's Keep !vote isn't very... convincing, he still appears to be a notable figure with a reasonable amount of non-trivial coverage. 11:00, 13 October 2020 (UTC)Foxnpichu (talk)
Delete this subtitle of the NYT article really shows that is the epitome of WP:BLP1E. Hekerui (talk) 07:41, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I believe he is notable enough to meet wikipedia's standard for BLP. Perhaps the article could be improved with additional information like his impact on the sales of Ocean_Spray_(cooperative), or the resurgence in popularity of Fleetwood Mac's Dream, and it hitting Billboard's Top 100 for the first time since 1977. Either way at this time I do not believe the article should be deleted. PCRON^talk 13:50, 16 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Merge Clear and unambiguous case of WP:BLP1E. The article should be merged with Dreams. "Keep" comments here seem to be by fans who are wildly overstating his notability. PorkHeart (talk) 15:05, 17 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
DeleteNo notability. Flash in the pan social media user who had 15 minutes of fame by skateboarding while listening to a song. Most of the keeps seem to be fans of his, judging by the comments.24.50.181.111 (talk) 14:30, 18 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment There is significant COI concerns regarding the article creator's contributions who has made significant edits to Apodaca's agent's clients over the years and I believe this article may have been created for promotional purpose. It has been reported to conflict of interest noticeboard I suggest this AfD be relisted so that it remains open while COI/N discussion takes place. Graywalls (talk) 08:33, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

update - article creator Lazer921 (talk · contribs) indeffed as a result of COI/N for Undisclosed Paid Editing Graywalls (talk) 18:19, 21 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Notability established by reliable sources including the NYT. Gamaliel (talk) 14:02, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The "notability established because NYT" keep !votes are ignoring the WP:BLP1E policy. Wikipedia is not news, or an indiscriminate collection of information. Source have covered the person only in the context of a single event, and that person otherwise remains, and is likely to remain, a low-profile individual. In the internet era, things so viral, big organisations cover it and sometimes that's it. A video going viral is not a notable event. Maybe Nathan Apodaca will capitalize on this to become a superstar, but it's WP:TOOSOON for that. I hope the closer will take the strength of the arguments into account, not just the number of !votes. Regards, TryKid ^{[dubious – discuss]} 21:50, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

*Delete for most likely having been an undisclosed paid article creation, which is not allowed. If such practices are spared a deletion, there's no disincentive for public relations personnel from creating such articles. There's a sort of precedent for deletion of such article. No prejudice against recreation by uninvolved neutral editor at a later time if Apodaca proves to be notable beyond WP:BLP1E. Graywalls (talk) 01:02, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Dreams: Barely found anything about him aside from his rise to fame on TikTok, an indication of WP:BLP1E. ASTIG😎 _{(ICE T • ICE CUBE)} 02:21, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

discussing target while merge is preferred to delete, the target isn't quite appropriate. Perhaps merge and redirect to List of viral videos Graywalls (talk) 14:54, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merged this is a textbook example of WP:BLP1E so merge into Dreams (Fleetwood Mac song). SmartSE (talk) 17:00, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Dreams (Fleetwood Mac song), alternatively List of viral videos, last alternative keep. There's clearly viable alternatives to deletion and he has made quite a splash (perhaps spray would be more apt :P), though I don't see quite enough for a stand-alone article, WP:BLP1E definitely applies. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 01:45, 21 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Merge as per WP:BLP1E and above votes. Benmite (talk) 08:35, 21 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: This looks like it's trending towards a merge, but it might be worth further discussion. Editors who feel this should be kept may want to consider explaining why they feel the BLP1E concerns are not valid.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, GirthSummit _(blether) 14:40, 21 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merge as per WP:BLP1E and above votes. (copying this comment since it summarizes my take perfectly) Eseress (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:12, 22 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment If the merge isn't to Dreams (Fleetwood Mac song), it should be listed on List of viral music videos, which appropriately includes amateur music videos made to established songs. List of viral videos is more appropriate for standalone videos with greater notability, like David After Dentist. PorkHeart (talk) 14:30, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete A viral Tik Tok video does not make a person notable for encyclopedic subject. It meets WP:TOOSOON for wiki article. The page is also promotional. For example "As a result, "Dreams" skyrocketed in popularity, reappearing on many worldwide music charts." The person doesn't meet General Notability Guideline.--Camella Gandhi (talk) 20:24, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
comment I think this is an indication of fleeting notability, thus it's really debatable if he maintains lasting notability. https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%203-m&geo=US&q=Nathan%20Apodaca You can see that interest for Ocean Spray went up shortly after the spike, this article was created in publicity effort. Just for comparison, I added Walt Disney Company as control. Look at the steady interest where the increase in interest for Ocean Spray and Apodaca is very transient. https://pageviews.toolforge.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&range=latest-90&pages=Nathan_Apodaca%7CThe_Walt_Disney_Company%7COcean_Spray_(cooperative) Graywalls (talk) 22:01, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Merge Above trend corroborates the general consensus we're approaching which is notable only for one event. Merge into whatever target that comes out of consensus. Graywalls (talk) 22:21, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep because deletionism is not the answer and it would not make sense to have it in the Fleatwood Mac song article. cookie monster (2020) 755 03:24, 24 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- This rationale makes no sense. Wikipedia's proud Deletionists are here to make sure this project doesn't get overloaded with cruft like this, instead relocating it to appropriate articles. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:35, 24 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Clear BLP1E. The song is notable, and the viral video is best described on the song's page. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:35, 24 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as claim of notability exists. AshMusique (talk) 23:43, 26 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep If Rebecca Black can have a freakin' Wikipedia entry then this one should stay! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:153:4100:57C0:CDBE:136D:C708:9A18 (talk) 02:13, 27 October 2020 (UTC) — 2601:153:4100:57C0:CDBE:136D:C708:9A18 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Merge and redirect to Rumours (album)#Commercial performance, where this is mentioned. Despite the blip in coverage surrounding the video, ultimately this is a WP:BLP1E. --Kinu ^t/_c 22:23, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to appropriate article per WP:BLP1E -17jiangz1 (talk) 07:44, 31 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.