Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Monica Lin Brown

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Tim Song (talk) 01:12, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Monica Lin Brown

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As with Sgt. Hester: While I have the highest regard for all our men and women in military service, it has already been established that the Silver Star, as only the third highest award for valor in the order of precedence, is not considered notable in of itself to be suitable criteria for an article on Wikipedia. The fact that Sgt. Brown is female does not change this fact. She is a soldier and we need to make uniform standards for inclusion. Rapier1 (talk) 17:49, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I don't have access to deleted articles and it's unfortunate that (if I'm interpreting your talk page correctly) the article about your father, who was also a Silver Star recipient, was deleted (is that policy written down somewhere?), but in fact Sergeant Brown's gender is exactly what makes her notable. --CliffC (talk) 18:21, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep. Highly notable and well-known war hero of the Afghanistan War! As CliffC mentions her gender itself makes her notable as only the second woman since WWII to receive the Silver Star and the only woman of the Afghanistan War to receive the medal. -- Evans1982 (talk) 19:10, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't deny their heroism, in fact, I firmly believe that the Silver Star should be a notable award in of itself (Let's reopen that debate in fact). Having been shouted down on this point, however, I don't agree with the fact that these brave young ladies' gender is enough to make them notable. If the award itself isn't notable, then being the first woman to win it can't be considered notable according to WP:N. It's unfortunate that if these ladies had posed for Playboy they'd merit an article (but as national heroes they don't) and I lament the screwed up societal values that Wikipedia adheres to, but the policies are clearly stated. Being the first woman to win a non-notable award in any given conflict does not make one notable. Rapier1 (talk) 19:42, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The world media has spoken: The fact that she is a female who received the Silver Star is notable in their eyes. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 03:59, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This AfD nomination was incomplete (missing step 3). It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 16:31, 4 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Person notable for one event, and as established above, the Silver Star is not a high enough award to automatically confer sufficient notability. What sources there are can be considered news coverage. Powers ^T 17:07, 4 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - seeing as though the Silver Star is given to soldiers in combat, and women in the US military are not directly in combat units, these women are unique recipients. Jauerback^dude?/_dude. 17:33, 4 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. —AustralianRupert (talk) 01:56, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, subject passes notability per WP:ANYBIO, & WP:BIO#Basic criteria via significant coverage. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 04:04, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The Silver Star is apparently not considered a notable award, as not every recipient garners an article. Powers ^T 16:57, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep combination of SS and being female brought her to attention of press, which is what makes her notable. Buckshot06 (talk) 21:27, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The Silver Star may not be the Medal of Honor, but it's still a distinguished award (third-highest after the Medal of Honor and Distinguished Service Cross), and women who have won it are hardly a dime a dozen. So she's definitely notable. Methychroma (talk) 23:05, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep WP:NOTE and WP:BIO criteria met, along with "significant coverage" requirement. --Alan (talk) 23:26, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Per the other keeps. Joe Chill (talk) 16:48, 6 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Agree with other reasons to keep article, as per. -Signaleer (talk) 07:26, 7 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep for the exact same argument made at the other AfD. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 15:22, 9 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.