Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marshall Neal

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The result was delete. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 10:13, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Marshall Neal

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Fails WP:BASIC, WP:ANYBIO, and WP:MUSICBIO. His name is mentioned a few places as a songwriter: [1][2][3][4][5][6]. However, there seem to be no significant secondary sources to support notability. Magnolia677 (talk) 23:08, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I was looking at this one too. Most of what I found was I similar to the sources listed by the nominator, and nothing contributed to showing notability. The one source in the article is a malformed google search, and is probably intended to be the google book listing https://books.google.ca/books/about/Chicago_Soul.html?id=2kkcmS0AzMEC&redir_esc=y I don't know how reliable this source is or how much it actually says about the subject.

I did find a few sources which could be used in the article if it survives AFD (passing mention of his death in a fire in Billboard and the Chicago Tribune), but nothing to show notability. Meters (talk) 23:30, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. That book source mentions a Marshall Neil in passing, and no Marshall Neal at all (as far as I can see). No other reliable sources with indepth attention for him seem to exist. Fram (talk) 07:56, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I added my input to discussion because I am unfamiliar with the way this platform works and unsure where to post my replies. I am about to search for tutorials to instruct me on how to navigate through this website.

Marshall Neal's name was misspelled and his occupation was incorrectly noted on and in several newspaper articles, publications and in the book titled, "Chicago Soul." One Chicago newspaper misspelled his last name while reporting his death. During that time period, spell-checking was done manually. Unfortunately, many of his "notable" contributions are archived and cannot be easily discovered *via* an internet search ... months of in-depth research would be required. I'm unsure as to how to prove my reliability as a source. However, for verification purposes, I would like to submit the following links for consideration. I included "proof" that he indeed was a songwriter on A.C. Reeds song "Boogalo Tramp" (which is also, always misspelled online & which was recorded under USA Records) ... yet "the edit was still deleted" from A.C. Reeds page. Also, the information on Wikipedia: USA Records, is not accurate. I have first-hand knowledge of this. Paul Glass and Marshall Neal play major roles re: USA Records. If my article does not survive AFD, I would like it to be known that my only intent was to provide "new and unknown" information, and to hopefully contribute to correcting "misinformation" that is falsely being represented as facts.

Various Articles & Publications that mention Marshall Neal:

blues-sessions.com/williemabon.php

CashBox Publication PDF links:
- CB-1958-02-01.pdf
- CB-1958-10-18.pdf
- CB-1959-09-05.pdf
"Boogalo Tramp" (Nike Records: Aaron Corthen *aka* A.C. Reed, Marshall Neal & Tony Gideon)
Links RE: Boogaloo Tramp Vinyl images:
- goo.gl/images/oewb7h
- goo.gl/images/ZHjT86
Boogaloo Tramp Video links:
- youtu.be/YqZudLuGUsE
Paul Glass (Allstate Distributors Co. & USA Records) info links:
- articles.chicagotribune.com/1986-04-04/news/8601240697_1_independent-record-labels-worked
- articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-11-17/news/ct-met-cy-gold-obit-20131117_1_chicago-area-promoter-lewy
- soul-source.co.uk/soulforum/topic/288207-u-s-a-records-chicago-paul-glass/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Unique freaq (talk • contribs) 21:06, 4 April 2017 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Unique freaq (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this XfD. [reply]

Brief discussion of sources and personal knowledge with pointers to WP:V, WP:RS, musical notability, and WP:COI (possibly an issue) on article creator's talk. Analysis of new links:

blues-sessions: just says "with various producers like Al Perkins or Marshall Neal"
CashBox Publication: No idea where to find these files.
Boogaloo Tramp Vinyl images: nothing but two pictures of CDs that credit "Neal"
Boogaloo Tramp Video: a posting of performances with static images. One image is again of the same CD as before. The performances are presumably copyvio.
Paul Glass articles: First one and last one make no mention of the article's subject. Second one is an invalid link.

So, nothing here. Meters (talk) 02:12, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I would like to thank each of you for your assistance on this matter. I have added additional information and links to the article with hopes that it will be able to remain on Wikipedia. I will continue to add any info that will possibly meet at least one of the Wiki's listed criteria for Composers and Lyricists (i.e. Composer and/or Lyricist must have credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a notable composition.) that I come across during my research of Marshall Neal.

Thank You, Unique Freaq Unique freaq (talk) 17:29, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

COMMENT I wish to include the following link regarding meeting the criteria for notability RE: Composers and Lyricist:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:COMPOSER&redirect=no

Unique freaq (talk) 04:27, 7 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

A "notable composition" would be a song or similar which is at the very least notable enough to have its own article, not any song by a notable musician. I don't see evidence that he has had writing credits on any such composition Fram (talk) 06:59, 7 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I've looked at the new additions to the article and I'm still not seeing anything that shows notability, just a few passing mentions of him in his work in the music industry and a few song credits. Was anything ever written about him? Meters (talk) 21:33, 7 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (✉) 22:17, 7 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Illinois-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (✉) 22:18, 7 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Thank you all so much! I'm researching to see if I can locate any online articles written on him that I can use as sources. The notable composition that both he and Frank Lindsey were a part of, was re-titled from: "You Can Belong To Me" -to- "I Need To Belong To Someone" - thirteen days after it's original copyrighted date - both of their names were omitted (uncredited) - leaving Curtis Mayfield as sole songwriter. It's unfortunate because, that is the one song that is notable enough to have it's own article, yet ... he and Lindsey were not credited thirteen days later. The song had already been written, recorded and released by: Jerry Butler, months prior to it being legally copyrighted. I do understand that Wikipedia has to be able to verify the content within a bio. This is my first article on Wiki (I'm a Newbie), and it is also my first subject/study - who's achievements and notability are more difficult to prove than I would have ever imagined. However, I will continue to dig and research. The following article regarding his death was discovered in Cashbox Magazine:

https://archive.org/stream/cashbox34unse_24#page/20/mode/1up

Unique freaq (talk) 01:02, 8 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Correcting Sentence for Clarification from Previous Comment

Incorrect: "The song had already been written, recorded and released by: Jerry Butler, months prior to it being legally copyrighted."

Correct: The song had already been written, composed & arranged by: Neal, Lindsey & Mayfield, then recorded by: Jerry Butler, and released by Butler's label - months "prior" to it being legally copyrighted.

Unique freaq (talk) 01:40, 8 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There is no point in continuing to link every source that happens to mention his name. The Cashbox ref simply says he was a sales rep and died after the robbery and fire. We already know this, and the source does not help demonstrate his notability. Meters (talk) 18:06, 8 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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