Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Islamic monarchy

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. The Heymann Standard (WP:HEY) is normally used to denote an article that has improved significantly during the course of an AfD, to the point that it merits retention, or at least a second look. That is not the case here. I see consensus that the content is useless, and the subject itself is questionable. Owen× ☎ 17:35, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Islamic monarchy

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This article, as it is, is simple WP:OR and has been completely unsourced throughout its existence. There is no such thing as an "Islamic monarcy", as distinct from other types of monarchy, just as there is no specific blanket concept of "Christian monarchy" or "Hindu monarchy" versus other monarchies. No reliable references I've seen make that argument, and indeed some make arguments of continuity between Muslim monarchies and other historical traditions of monarchy (e.g. [1]). There are specific instances and ideologies of monarchy in present-day and past Islamic societies, but they have many differences and do not together form a cohesive and distinct concept known as "Islamic monarchy".

There could certainly be a valid topic in something like Monarchy in Islam, which could discuss the concept of monarchical rule in relation to Islamic religion and political thought and for which there are useful sources (e.g. [2], [3]), but that would be a completely different article. If anyone wants to start that article now, we could redirect this there instead. Otherwise, the best course of action is to delete. At best, maybe this could be a DAB page for terms like Emirate, Sultanate, Caliphate, but even that sounds a little silly, as these things are simply covered (or should be) at Monarchy. R Prazeres (talk) 01:58, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Royalty and nobility and Islam. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 04:23, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep should have been an article and can be improved, there are many Muslim countries with monarchies or Democracies Shaahaajaahaan (talk) 12:44, 9 July 2025 (UTC)~~ — Shaahaajaahaan (talk · contribs) is a confirmed sock puppet of Aniruddhchaudhuy (talk · contribs). [reply]

That does not address the points above. The fact that there are Muslim-majority countries with monarchies does not clarify that "Islamic monarchy" exists as a distinct system of governance. Again, an article about "monarchies in Muslim countries" would be completely different, if needed at all. R Prazeres (talk) 15:10, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I do think there is some validity to saying that there is a difference between muslim majority monarchies and monarchies that have Islam as a state religion. Granted, right now all of the current the majority muslim monarchies have Islam as a state religion. Ike Lek (talk) 18:19, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe, but it needs to be shown that this is something reliable sources talk about, not that Wikipedia editors feel there should be something said about it. The fact of Islam being a state religion has little to do with being a monarchy; many or most Muslim-majority countries, including officially republican states, have Islam designated as state religion in some manner or another (e.g. see this list). R Prazeres (talk) 19:14, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't say it has little to do with being a monarchy, as part of many Arab monarch's claims to power is being descended from the prophet Mohammad, but I agree that if the article is going to exist, it needs sources and can't be based on original research. Ike Lek (talk) 19:30, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - everyone knew that Wikipedia doesn't publish original content and since at least 2006, that we require sources. Bearian (talk) 07:01, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep WP:HEY As it is, this article is junk, however, I think the concept has notability potential. Compare Islamic Republic, which is a well-developed article. This is what this article ought to be and I think it can get there. Given there are more Islamic monarchies than the three Islamic Republics, this certainly could be expanded. Metallurgist (talk) 21:17, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - I agree that a more appropriate article would be Monarchy in Islam. For the time being, I believe it would be more appropriate to list Current monarchies and the various types of monarchies as subcategories on Category:Islamic monarchies and add them as categories to each monarchy listed on this page. Eulersidentity (talk) 08:07, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.