Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Influences and interpretations of The Matrix

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to The Matrix (franchise). (That's the new name of The Matrix (series), apparently.) Sandstein 05:58, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Influences and interpretations of The Matrix

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largely unreferenced, seemingly original research, unencyclopedic fancruft. looks like an essay. Rob Sinden (talk) 14:17, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This AfD nomination was incomplete (missing step 3). It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 15:34, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Unsourced OR. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 16:52, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep temporarily while it's rewritten to make it more concise and keep only those parts that are or can be referenced, and then Merge the result into a section of The Matrix (series).
This article was originally a section of The Matrix (series) which got split off into its own article, a move I was never in favour of. (Especially since it ended up with a silly and slightly pretentious title!) It's always a challenge to keep up when two or more articles contain duplicate information, but I used to try and make sure that both that section and The Matrix were properly referenced (I remember editing them at the same time to make sure they both contained the correct references to the DVD featurettes and the South Bank Show anime documentary). But I stopped following it when it got split off. At present, The Matrix article's "Influences and interpretations" section, though not perfect, is more concise and better referenced - should that be a starting point for future changes?
I'd like to note that a big problem with several Matrix-related articles (not just this one) is that every time there's a list of religions and philosophies people think the films reference, those lists gradually keep getting longer and longer and more and more uncited. Those bits in particular are the parts that really need to be referenced... by someone much more knowledgeable in philosophy than me. :) --Nick R^Talk 18:19, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep after a rewrite to remove any nonsourced information/OR. Doc Quintana (talk) 19:02, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The closing administrator isn't a magic article rewriting machine, note. If you want something fixed here, {{sofixit}} applies. Uncle G (talk) 03:02, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - I stated my opinion, not an intention to clean up other people's messes. After all, why bother discussing it if you feel strongly enough to fix it yourself. Doc Quintana (talk) 04:23, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - So you're OK with deletion if no one performs this rewrite for you? --Explodicle (T/C) 14:16, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Merge back to the The Matrix (series), which now looks bereft of anything interesting and is much too short. What was the motivation to split it out? I'm going to assume it is a fork over some editing dispute. Abductive (reasoning) 18:44, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Merge back or keep. Either way of arranging the information is OK, but removing the information is not. DGG ( talk ) 03:02, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. —PC78 (talk) 16:17, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. It would seem that many of the editors voting for "keep" would agree that the information on this page is inconcise and unenyclopedic, and would need a hefty rewrite to remove any unsourced information and original research. I'd have thought therefore that they would agree that this article should not exist in its current form. I don't expect anyone would be willing to rewrite this article as it would be too daunting a task. Hence my proposal for deletion. Then perhaps the information could be added concisely to the The Matrix (franchise) page bit by bit, and if it warrants another break-out article then it would eventually evolve naturally into that article. DGG mentions that "Either way of arranging the information is OK, but removing the information is not". But what "information" is actually contained on this page that meets wikipedia policy? Rob Sinden (talk) 14:22, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with The Matrix (series) as others have suggested. There is good--and notable--material here that could reasonably fit in the main Matrix article, though, yes, much of it could be more concise. Shanata (talk) 07:29, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
A merge sounds good to me too, but I'd be OK with keeping if the article gets rewritten as others have proposed. Either way, I'm against deletion. --Explodicle (T/C) 14:24, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.