Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Garashov Farhad

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Discounting likely sockpuppets/meatpuppets/canvassees, this is unanimous. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 01:37, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Garashov Farhad

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Not notable by the relevant standard. Does not meet WP:GNG. Ari T. Benchaim (talk) 20:18, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. Ari T. Benchaim (talk) 20:18, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete promotional profile of non notable individual. Mccapra (talk) 20:24, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Azerbaijan-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 20:36, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep I see no good reason to remove the article, there are signs of encyclopedic significance as a manager of the agro-industrial complex and as a public figure.

He is the Founder and Chairman of the Board of Directors of International School LLC, invests in education, entrepreneurship. The school is included in the list of the most popular and highly paid educational institutions in Azerbaijan - proof. Garashov is also the chairman of the Public Council for the Development of Small and Medium Businesses - SMEs in Azerbaijan.--5.134.58.205 (talk) 20:26, 25 May 2022 (UTC) — 5.134.58.205 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

keep In addition to public and business activities, Garashov is also a member of interstate commissions, in particular, the Azerbaijan-Russian Business Council (www.ards.az) and the Chamber of Commerce and Industry of Turkic Speaking States (http://ask.org.az/2019/08/ 01/ask-nin-vitse-prezidenti-guz-stli-kreditl-rl-bagli-t-klifl-r-verdi/). In addition, Garashov is a member of the board of the National Confederation of Entrepreneurs (Employers) of the Republic of Azerbaijan (http://ask.org.az/idare-heyeti/). As chairman of the Association of Pomegranate Producers and Exporters, Garashov also regularly sponsors scientific seminars.

All this indicates the degree of Farhad Garashov's involvement in the business and socio-political processes taking place in Azerbaijan, as well as the significance of his figure.--82.194.17.140 (talk) 08:58, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: given language concerns, more time might be of help
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 02:25, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. A search brings up quite a few results, but none of it is really sigcov: we're dealing with brief articles, passing mentions, occasional quotations, and the like. There's not enough here to meet the GNG, in my view. In response to the keep !votes above, I would note that our guidelines don't give articles to people just because they have long résumés: notability requires independent reliable sources that discuss the individual in depth, and that seems to be missing here. A note for the closing admin: there's some monkey business going on with this article (likely related to this group of sockpuppets), and it's already been deleted twice at Farhad Garashov. If this AfD closes as delete, it might be worth applying some salt. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 06:21, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
But these shortcomings do not prevent the existence of an article when the subject of the article is significant. I will say this, at the moment this retelling of the view of the article, presented from your position, did not satisfy me. I have a claim that this is your personal opinion. And what specific doubts do you have about Garashov's authority? Let's try it this way - independent reliable sources 1 independent reliable sources 2 independent reliable sources 3 independent reliable sources 4 independent reliable sources 5 BUSINESS TIME Magazine (Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan: Strategic Partnership - there is an article about this person on page 36-38.) / 2020 (in Russian) reliable sources 7 mir24.tv/news reliable sources 8 mir24.tv video reliable sources 9 Wikipedia does not care at all who is in it privately, and in general, although it sets the task to reveal the most prominent figures of humanity as widely as possible, it is not interested in including anyone, for more details, see WP:NOT. I am leading this to the fact that, in general, we have prescribed rules according to which this or that article can remain on Wikipedia. They are not specific, and this is their advantage - for example, you and I definitely do not know what is "outstanding" or we do not have clear criteria, for example, "global economy". All this, of course, means that you can try to argue to the community why you consider this or that figure significant, relying of course on the WP:NBIO. 89.219.156.117 (talk) 16:24, 7 June 2022 (UTC) — 89.219.156.117 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Of the sources you've listed: #1 is a list of people who have received an award; it doesn't provide significant coverage. #2 is a passing mention in a list of appointments. #3 simply quotes a statement he made without discussing him "directly and in detail". #4 is another passing mention. #5 quotes Garashov but doesn't provide him with significant coverage. There doesn't seem to be a link to #6, but there's no indication that it's reliable/independent of the subject. #7 only mentions him in passing. #8 merely quotes Garashov without providing him with significant coverage, and #9 does the same. I certainly agree with you that the notability guidelines are flexible, but guidelines like WP:NBIO ensure that we include articles about people because they are objectively significant according to independent reliable sources, not merely because you or I think they're notable. These sources don't support Mr. Garashov's notability, in my view. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 17:08, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Dear Extraordinary Writ, being the founder and permanent chairman of the board of the most famous school in the republic, he can be considered an important owner of the most expensive and famous school in the republic.

In my opinion, if this is a comprehensive school, then its founder is considered important and significant. (The school has developed an original method of education, which caused a resonance in the professional pedagogical community and in society as a whole)

The article meets the criteria of significance for entrepreneurs. You can also try to consider him as a public figure. Creator of "Originar" brand (The ISNI International Agency)

Garashov personal influence on the agricultural sector, as well as the economy, in my opinion meets the criteria of the rules of the WP:NBIO. He is an Honorary Consul of the Republic of the Philippines in Azerbaijan (Ambassador) and Public Council under the Small and Medium Business Development Agency. 89.219.156.117 (talk) 17:44, 7 June 2022 (UTC) — 89.219.156.117 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting once more in hopes of more input about whether the coverage is significant.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, RL0919 (talk) 11:07, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I have reviewed the sources mentioned both here and within the article as well as conducted my own search and there is not sufficiently significant coverage from reliable and secondary sources. I urge all the passionate defenders of the subject to realise that deleting this article would not be an insult to the subject, or Azerbaijan, but rather in accordance with Wikipedia content guidelines. Specifically, I encourage those voting keep on what I consider spurious grounds to read up on what notability means on Wikipedia. I will respond to one specific comment: "In my opinion, if this is a comprehensive school, then its founder is considered important and significant. (The school has developed an original method of education, which caused a resonance in the professional pedagogical community and in society as a whole)" This is not a valid argument in the context of a deletion discussion on Wikipedia. Ones personal opinion on significance and importance is not at issue, it is whether or not the subject meets Wikipedia notability standards, which it patently does not. I fully agree with ExtraordinaryWrit that salt protection is needed should this article be deleted, given the repeat recreation of the subject with no improvement in sourcing. MaxnaCarta (talk) 12:11, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Reply If any points in significance are controversial or unclear, they should be discussed (If the article contains advertisements, nonsense, orissa or copy - they should be erased. You claim that none of the listed positions gives a person of significance, but how can you prove it? And what specific doubts do you have about Garashov's authority?) If there are unexplored points, you should discuss them rather than question the article.

Are you not satisfied that the person was the honorary ambassador of the Philippine Republic to Azerbaijan? 89.219.156.117 (talk) 14:46, 9 June 2022 (UTC) — 89.219.156.117 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Delete per Maxna and Writ. WP:SIGCOV is clear on the matter, and these sources don't satisfy that standard; neither can I find some myself. The only real possible point of objection is point 1 of WP:ANYBIO (he's been awarded the state award of Azerbaijan, but per the lede to ANYBIO, meeting one or more [criteria] does not guarantee that a subject should be included. Otherwise, the IP involved has lately been making requests to prove a negative, which by definition is impossible. Iseult^Δxparlez moi 15:01, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Are you not satisfied that this person is the Honorary Ambassador of the Republic of the Philippines to Azerbaijan? I believe that since there will be no evidence of these baseless statements, such as... "none of the listed positions gives a person of significance." I have the right to ask for a second consensus.

The content and text of the page do not contradict the rules of Wikipedia. I note that the page contains a link to the reflected information, this information does not violate anyone's copyright, all information is relevant to the page title.

There are no spelling mistakes, long monologues, unstructured materials, flames, information published in another language, hoaxes, lies and slander on the page.
The page is not intended for vandalism.
The page is unique and is not a copy of another page.
the content of the page is based only on facts.

As you can see, the page cannot be deleted by any of the above criteria.--89.219.156.117 (talk) 15:11, 9 June 2022 (UTC) — 89.219.156.117 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

We are not voting here, dear admin RL0919, please conclude that no consensus has been reached, let the discussion of the article begin again, let those who participated here not participate in the discussion again, let's make a decision transparently. The lack of an exhaustive biography of a person on the Internet does not mean that magazines do not provide extensive information about a person. On the contrary, the most extensive information in the form of biographies is published in business journals, and I cite this magazine as an example. - 1) BUSINESS TIME Magazine (Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan: Strategic Partnership - there is an article about this person on page 36-38.) / 2020 (in Russian) 2) International Scientific Journal: (PRIORITIES OF FORMATION OF SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT OF AGRICULTURAL ENTERPRISE) Garashov F.A. 3) Azerbaijan Intl magazine: publishing 21, about Garashov.F.A --89.219.156.117 (talk) 15:25, 9 June 2022 (UTC) — 89.219.156.117 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Delete - undisclosed paid-for spam. Not a good faith contribution to the encyclopedia; four sockpuppets (including the author and the account moving this to mainspace) blocked. MER-C 06:48, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The topic of discussion here is not the user who created the article or brought it to the main page. Man himself is an encyclopedic personality.

Dear Star Mississippi, @RL0919 Please cancel the consensus, I think it was wrong to discuss this kind. Let the discussion be repeated, the title should ask whether the person is encyclopedic or not. 89.219.156.117 (talk) 14:59, 11 June 2022 (UTC) — 89.219.156.117 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
- - The article was deleted because the article was created by a sock account. It was not deleted because the subject was not notable. I do not have any problem restoring the article to draft space or main space. This was salted because it has been repeatedly deleted, dear admins Hut 8.5, Robert McClenon and Cryptic please Unsalt this. Not a DRV issue. The reason notability - is that he is a well-known businessman and honorary ambassador of the Republic of the Philippines to Azerbaijan.--89.219.156.117 (talk) 15:36, 13 June 2022 (UTC) — 89.219.156.117 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Comment - I have not reviewed the article and do not have an opinion on the notability of the subject. I see that this AFD discussion is being disrupted by IP editors, and have made a recommendation at WP:ANI that this AFD discussion be semi-protected. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:23, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - This article has not been deleted or salted at this time, and the requests to undelete or unsalt it are misinformed. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:23, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This article seems to have been deleted twice, but the reason for the deletion is not that the person is not encyclopedic. In this case, why delete the article, because the person is encyclopedic. The investigation shows that this person is a well-known and influential businessman in Azerbaijan. There are several chairs, First- the presidency of the association, Second- Chairman of the Public Council of the Small and Medium Business Agency, Third- Entrepreneur of the most famous private school in the republic, Fourth- Honorary Ambassador of the Republic of the Philippines to Azerbaijan 89.219.156.117 (talk) 17:57, 13 June 2022 (UTC) — 89.219.156.117 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
This is a product of the the Elshadiman sockfarm (compare the deleted version at the proper article title), so could be deleted as a G5, but should deleted nonspeedily on notability grounds instead so we can be rid of it forever. —Cryptic 18:16, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I say let's keep the article, you say let's ban one-time creation altogether. But if a person is an encyclopedic, if the article is removed from Wikipedia, his rights are not violated? 89.219.156.117 (talk) 18:41, 13 June 2022 (UTC) — 89.219.156.117 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
There is no right to be included on Wikipedia. Star Mississippi 19:07, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If you delete the article, I ask the administrator @Robert McClenon to discuss the deleted article in DRV, to open the title that the article was deleted for other reasons, ie without taking into account the encyclopedic features of the person. 89.219.156.117 (talk) 19:18, 13 June 2022 (UTC) — 89.219.156.117 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Delete this article as the work of a blocked sockpuppet. Then SALT both as Garashov Farhad and Farhad Garashov due to recreation by sockpuppets. Recommend ECP protection so that a neutral editor can develop a real article, because the person may be notable, but the current article, which is the work of a sockpuppet, should go in the bit bucket. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:00, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - The IPs are in the situation of the teenager who kills his parents and then pleads for the mercy of the court because he is an orphan. They are claiming that the article should not be deleted, because the only problem is that it was the work of sockpuppets, but they are sockpuppets. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:00, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete just an honorary consul and doesn't have wide coverage. --StellarNerd (talk) 20:08, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - If the article is kept, then it should be renamed, because it has been incorrectly named, reversing the name order, which has almost certainly been done in order to game the system by the gaming of names. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:42, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and salt per Cryptic's argument above. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 00:54, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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