Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Faraday Technology

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The result was no consensus. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 15:48, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Faraday Technology

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No evidence of notability on Google. RedBulbBlueBlood9911Talk 12:50, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. RedBulbBlueBlood9911Talk 12:50, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I found some press releases 1 2 3 3 4 5, but that coverage fails WP:NCORP. Its Chinese Wikipedia equivalent is also unsourced. Searching in that language does not suggest independent or reliable coverage. Vycl1994 (talk) 16:03, 26 June 2020

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
1. 林宏文 (2002-08-22). "誰是智原科技第二？ P.58" [Who Is Faraday Technology?]. zh:今周刊 (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2020-06-27. Retrieved 2020-06-27.
2. 伍忠賢 (2006). 科技管理 [Technology Management] (in Chinese). Taipei: zh:五南文化. p. 510. ISBN 9789571142449. Retrieved 2020-06-27.
  The book has a section titled "智原科技的矽智財交易中心" ("Faraday Technology's Silicon Intellectual Property Trading Center"). It has a subsection titled "台灣最大的矽智財公司: 智原科技" ("The largest silicon intellectual property company in Taiwan: Faraday Technology").
3. Wang, Lisa (2019-07-25). "Faraday soars on sales outlook". Taipei Times. Archived from the original on 2020-06-27. Retrieved 2020-06-27.
  Faraday Technology is publicly traded. The article includes information from Jih Sun Securities Investment Consulting Co (日盛投顧), which indicates Jih Sun Securities is tracking the company.
4. "MarketLine Company Profile: Faraday Technology Corporation". MarketLine. 2019-08-08.
  The report notes:
  
  Faraday Technology Corporation
  3035 Taiwan Stock Exchange
  No.5, Li-Hsin Road III, Hsinchu Science Park
  Hsinchu City
  Taipei
  The report notes that there are 840 employees.
  The report notes:
  
  Faraday Technology Corporation (Faraday) is a semiconductor company that provides application specific integrated circuit (ASIC) and silicon intellectual property (SIP) components and services. The company's product portfolio includes cell library, memory compiler, ARM-compliant CPUs (central processing units), DDR controller, low-power DDR1/2/3, MIPI, V-by-One, MPEG4, H.264, USB 2.0/3.0, 10/100/1000 ethernet controller, serial ATA, PCI express, and programmable SerDes. It also offers SoC design service, FPGA to ASIC service, AI and HPC solutions, and turnkey solutions, among others. The company operates in China, Europe, Japan, Taiwan and the US. Faraday is headquartered in Hsinchu city, Taipei, Taiwan.
  The company reported revenues of (Taiwanese Dollars) TWD4,904.7 million for the fiscal year ended December 2018 (FY2018), a decrease of 8.2% over FY2017. In FY2018, the company's operating margin was 5.8%, compared to an operating margin of 4.4% in FY2017. In FY2018, the company recorded a net margin of 5.4%, compared to a net margin of 15.6% in FY2017. The company reported revenues of TWD1,214.9 million for the second quarter ended June 2019, an increase of 10.7% over the previous quarter.
  Faraday Technology Corporation (Faraday) is engaged in designing, manufacturing, and testing application specific integrated circuits (ASICs) and related components. The company also provides silicon intellectual property (SIP) components. It operates in Taiwan, Japan, China, Europe and the US. The company primarily provides ASIC services and Silicon IP solutions. Faraday's provides SoC design services for architecture exploration, integration, and verification exploration. Faraday offers performance exploration platform and virtual platform to fulfill architecture design requirements. The company also provides network-on-chip (NoC) technology-based SoC designs. ...
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Faraday Technology to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 10:53, 27 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I grant that there is coverage in the Taipei Times ([1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8], [9], [10] [11], [12]) It notes relatively little, other than basic economic analysis, that usually isn't included in quarterly detail within company articles. ~~I cannot locate the MarketLine source online, for whatever reason, but~~ the description quoted here from MarketLine is more descriptive than many other sources including Reuters or Bloomberg. Are there any other sources that cover details of the company's operation and history like the Chinese-language sources, and not ones that merely assert WP:LISTED? Vycl1994 (talk) 16:47, 27 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The two Chinese sources I listed, the MarketLine source, and the Pearson Education book I've provided below all cover details of the company's operation and history. Cunard (talk) 23:11, 27 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

As MarketLine seems to be run by GlobalData, a data analysis company, I am unsure if it can contribute to GNG. The second paragraph of the quote from MarketLine is nothing but a restatement of the company's own economic data. The first paragraph is product and services cruft, and the third paragraph repeats the first by restating Faraday's area of operations. Similar to the Taipei Times coverage, and the links to Bloomberg and Reuters that I provided, GlobalData as a company largely focuses on economic indicators for other companies, which establishes WP:LISTED, but unlikely to fulfill WP:CORPDEPTH and WP:ORGIND. I acknowledge Pearson and the Chinese language publications as WP:THREE good sources, but still do not see GNG or WP:HEY Vycl1994 (talk) 01:02, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Three good sources in the Chinese sources and the Pearson source means the company passes Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline. Cunard (talk) 01:18, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Fails WP:CORPDEPTH and WP:ORGIND. Listing company reports and product listing doesn't make company notable. Listing of company stock prices, money raised, margins, profit increases are explicitly disallowed per WP:NCORP. Hardly reliable, nor independent. scope_creep^Talk 16:32, 27 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Here is another source I found. The book provides two pages of coverage about Faraday Technology.
- Rosenberg, David (2002). Cloning Silicon Valley: The Next Generation High-Tech Hotspots. London: Pearson Education. pp. 186–187. ISBN 1-903684-07-2. Retrieved 2020-06-27.
  The book notes:
  
  Focus Company: Faraday Technology
  
  In its efforts to chart the course for its IC design services business, Hsinchu-based Faraday Technology faces a set of challenges common to much of Taiwan's technology sector. It benefits from being in the centre of one of the world's biggest IC industries and has an advantage over many other Taiwanese concerns by virtue of the fact that it has developed and controls a fairly substantial body of proprietary technology rather than simply being an efficient manufacturer. But that is no longer enough: Faraday has to manage a gradual move to more sophisticated designs in order to avoid the trap of falling into competition with mainland China at the lower end of the market. To do that, it must carefully pick the IP brains of American and other foreign companies. The company was formed in 1993 as a spin-out from UMC where Hsaio- Ping Lin, now Faraday's president, was in charge of computer-aided design (CAD). He went out with 12 people and with UMC as the main shareholder. Faraday's business was to provide ASIC design services for IDMs and design houses making chips for computers, communications and consumer electronics. The company over time came to push out foreign competition and dominate the domestic ASIC segment. The problem now is that Faraday has little room to expand at home. It is already by far the biggest of the dozen or so IC design services firms on the island. If it wants to continue growing the company has two routes it can take: go up-market to America and Japan or go down-market to China. Lin is determined to pursue both.²³
  First, the US and Japan. Their markets are huge but also considerably more sophisticated than Taiwan's. 'Right now in Taiwan, companies are still one generation behind the US and Japan. For example they are using 0.35-micron technology while in the US they are using 0.25 or 0.18 technology. Taiwan has a lot of design houses, but US design houses really advance projects ; in Taiwan they just look to see how to advance existing features,' says Lin. He is working to deepen the technological capabilities of his staff in part by encouraging Taiwanese customers to upgrade their own chips to 0.25-micron and add features. But that's a slow process and it's hard to recruit engineers in Taiwan with the necessary experience, especially since Faraday doesn't enjoy the galmour of being a manufacturing company. To start building its IP base quickly, Faraday acquired a US company, ASIC Semiconductor Corp, in 1995 and now services all its American clients from there. In Japan, a harder market to penetrate, Faraday has a Tokyo office although the work for Japanese clients is still done in Taiwan. Competing against US design-service companies, Faraday holds an important asset in being based in Taiwan and close to the IC industrial cluster. 'Customers need a vendor to deliver the goods on schedule and a very efficient way to deliver the goods. We can support this kind of service very well. We know the foundry, we know the testing house. We know everyone very well and the efficiency is so high,' Lin says. China presents a different problem that requires a more defensive strategy because a cluster very much like Taiwan's is.
Cunard (talk) 23:11, 27 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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