Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Epoch Networks

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The result was delete‎. The keep !votes are too weak to overcome the basic objections that there is insufficient coverage that is both in-depth and independent. asilvering (talk) 03:51, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Epoch Networks

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Fails WP:NORG; WP:BEFORE fails with Google/DDG search; one ref, the first ISP Planet ref, seems reliable, but is old, stands alone, and is from a specialist/industry publication that no longer exists. Second ref only discusses the ISP in passing with greater emphasis on its founder. Apparently survived a PROD in 2006. /over.throws/^they+✎ 20:48, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Technology and Internet. /over.throws/^they+✎ 20:48, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Companies and California. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 23:06, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I can find some coverage in digitised newspapers, including one listing of the top 10 national (US) internet providers in 1997 - Epoch is listed at number 7. I'll see what more I can find and add to the article. RebeccaGreen (talk) 17:06, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:46, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Toadspike [Talk] 09:46, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@RebeccaGreen Any luck? Toadspike [Talk] 09:46, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep I have added sources and info from digitised newspapers (and a bit more info from the existing sources). A Google Books search shows that there is also some coverage in computer magazines, which I have not (yet) included - I will try to include this one [1] at least (though IT is really outside my areas of expertise or interest). I think there is just enough significant coverage for it to meet WP:NCORP (including the ISP Planet article - its age and the fact that the publication no longer exists are irrelevant.) RebeccaGreen (talk) 07:43, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi RebeccaGreen, the InfoWorld article is based entirely on information provided by the company - that isn't "independent Content" - fails WP:ORGIND. HighKing⁺⁺ 17:30, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Fails NCORP criteria, no sourcing available that is both in-depth and "independent content". HighKing⁺⁺ 17:30, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Basically sources are all brief, routine business announcements, and I don't find anything more substantial. I will check back in case someone finds something better. Lamona (talk) 01:03, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: One last relist in the hopes of finding more sources.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, asilvering (talk) 01:20, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep it took some time to reseaech and yes, there is no significant coverage but it is notable. Some sources I found while searching for the topic - an old article with a mention - [2], this news article-[3], a public record- [4], and this magazine coverage too- [5]. HilssaMansen19 (talk) 19:06, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
None of these pass muster. The first one is a name check in an article about other companies: more than 100 Internet service provider and enterprise customers, including Cisco Systems csco , Concentric Network cncx , Epoch Networks, Oracle orcl , PeopleSoft. The public record doesn't show notability, only that the company exists (presumably all companies get such a record). The other two are that 1) they raised money and 2) they were acquired. These latter are "routine business announcements." This is covered in WP:NCORP under the section WP:CORPTRIV. There it lists "raised capital", and "sales, mergers, acquisition" as examples of standard notices that do not support NCORP. Lamona (talk) 22:17, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You are right about that. Again the subject is notable but not having significant coverage (reliable and secondary, yes, but not much). The question is, does it hold some time based significance, yes.[6][7] about founder with a mention to the subject - Scott Purcell is a serial entrepreneur experienced in securities, banking, technology, internet infrastructure, publishing, social networking and music industry. He is best known for founding Epoch Networks, one of the first internet providers in the United States [8] one line mention- and Epoch Networks (the nation's largest privately held ISP at the time).[9][10][11]. Might not meet much criterias and it does have time based significance but not significant coverage which totally depends upon pov of the user WP:POPULARITY.HilssaMansen19 (talk) 05:02, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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