Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Easterlings

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The result was delete. The only keep recommendation argued with in-universe notability and inherited notability, but this has no bearing for the GNG and also WP:NOTINHERITED. No significant scholar analysis was found for this fictional race. – sgeureka ^t•c 16:33, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Easterlings

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Fictional race (nation). No evidence of stand-alone notability. Not a shred of analysis. Pure WP:PLOT and list of appearances in media. Fails WP:PLOT, WP:GNG, WP:NFICTION. BEFORE shows nothing that's not in passing or a plot summary. I did look in the Tolkien Encyclopedia, and they do have an entry there. But setting aside it seems to be the only non-primary source that discusses them in-depth (and GNG requires multiple sources), the problem with that entry is that it does not contain a shred of analysis outside being a plot summary: it does not contain an ounce of relation to the real word, nothing about possible Tolkien inspirations, meaning, influence, etc. As noted in the entry on TE (which I recently expanded), quality of entries in this work varies, and some don't go beyond a plot summary that one would expect to find at wikia or such. While I usually lean towards keeping anything that has an entry in another encyclopedia, this is because usually other encyclopedias contain a summary of scholarly analysis of a topic. For this one, there is no such analysis anywhere, so, with the note that this topic has an entry in TE, I am still nominating it for deletion as essentially pure fancruft. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:51, 28 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:51, 28 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fantasy-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 11:15, 28 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Major race in the works of one of the most famous writers in history and the literature based on them. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:18, 28 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- That's simply not a valid AfD rationale. Feel free to point out how it meets any of our policies such as GNG etc. Outside WP:ITSIMPORTANT, that is. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:04, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete there are no Easterling characters in LotR. We see more orcs than Easterlings. I am surprised we do not gav ed a whole slew of articles as sources linking easterlings serving Sauron to Arabs serving Mohammad or Allah. Not ccx that I think such an argument would be valid. With Ghan-buri-ghan we get discussion linking him into the framework of a novel savage. Numenor is the true story of Atlantis, the true west af least according to some of C. S. Lewis's writing. There is not enough 3rd party coverage to justify this article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:36, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete — I agree with John. The Easterlings are only mentioned a couple of times.--Jack Upland (talk) 04:57, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Honestly, I was expecting to find an absurd number of independent sources for the Easterlings. Instead, I found one undergraduate paper. Apparently, the Easterlings have not received any coverage from academics. Their coverage from professional journalists is similarly lacking. ―Susmuffin ^Talk 05:09, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.