Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/EEE SUST

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Shahjalal University of Science and Technology. (non-admin closure) Alpha_Quadrant ^(talk) 17:48, 24 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

EEE SUST

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Article on a new university department offering undergraduate degrees. References are all to the university's own site or blogs. No evidence that this department is individually notable. AllyD (talk) 22:46, 15 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Actually in bangladesh you will not find articles on the internet about notable topics. There are so many notable topics whose e content are not available in the internet. If it is closely seen. it is clear that almost all the article about bangladesh on Wikipedia has no secondary or third party sources. But this article has some secondary source. --shparvez001 (talk) 22:55, 15 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I dont get why this page is going to be deleted. This page has good information. Yes there are less secondary reference. But there are some cases in Bangladesh where notable topics doesnot have online content, so citation become tough. --TAhmid — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.97.175.217 (talk) 23:00, 15 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep~~ I would have said to upmerge this into the parent article, the content is decent per WP:PRESERVE I don't see why this information doesn't belong at Wikipedia, and given that Shahjalal University of Science and Technology is already too long, this article seems like a perfectly good application of Wikipedia:Summary style. --Jayron32 23:48, 15 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I don't disagree with applying WP:PRESERVE but - fundamental for AfD - reliable sources demonstrating notability are neither in the article nor being found. (This is hardly surprising, given that this is a newly started department with a 1st year undergraduate class of 30.) So we have an article saying there is a course and it has an admission process: hardly notable. For any external sourcing, there is the briefest of mentions of the acronym in this general article on the University. We should be mindful too, I think, of the argument on appropriate standards for individual department notability put forward by User:DGG recently in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Department of Sociology, University of Karachi. This one is far from demonstrable notability. AllyD (talk) 22:01, 17 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:22, 16 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bangladesh-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:22, 16 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. I'm readily convinced to change my vote. Given the size, lack of history, and lack of reliable sources about this department, merge to the article about the University seems like the best course of action here. --Jayron32 01:03, 24 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

(~~Keep~~) This article should be given time to improve. At least it should be moved into the author's user space if a 'delete' decision reaches consensus. See Wikipedia:Userfication --Greenmaven (talk) 00:47, 16 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thinking further, after carefully reading the comments of others, I am inclined to vote for a Weak Merge or a delete. The structure of Shahjalal University of Science and Technology does not lend itself to merging this article while keeping the balance of coverage in Shahjalal University of Science and Technology. I am also concerned that Shahjalal University of Science and Technology contains many links to itself, in the part where EEE is mentioned. Also, if this article were merged into Shahjalal University of Science and Technology, almost all of its content would become redundant. I hope the author considers working on a better article in a sub-page in his Userspace, if he wishes to persevere. --Greenmaven (talk) 22:43, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete (or merge with SUST): The department is not independently notable. Even within Bangladesh, this department will not rank among the top departments in the area. So, either delete, or merge with the university article. --Ragib (talk) 04:20, 16 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Also, the department seems to be established in 2011 ... i.e., just this year. I don't see how this article can contain anything more than that one-liner information, which can easily be merged into the SUST page. --Ragib (talk) 04:49, 16 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Mr. Ragib You can see the page is already at good length and with tiem the page EEE SUST will grow. So i donot think merging with the page SUST is a good choice. This will make the page SUST ,more clumsy. And you are saying it is established in 2011. Then what is the problem? New things sometimes may be better. --shparvez001 (talk) 19:12, 16 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, the department is NOT Notable. It needs to be notable before you can start an encyclopedic article on it. I'm not saying it won't become notable *in future*. But as of now, it remains a brand new department with no notability and not even any recognition as a well known department within the country. You can fill this article with random crap, but that does not mean it will be encyclopedic or of any value. If you take away the crystal ball content (what the department will be notable for in future), all that remains of any value is a single sentence, or bullet point: it is a department of SUST. Other than that, there is no real content here. --Ragib (talk) 19:55, 16 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Mr. Ragib You know though this is newest department, but seats are filled in this department faster than any other department. I mean Front students in the merit list get admitted. So is this possible if the department is not notable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shparvez001 (talk • contribs) 22:22, 16 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You have a wrong idea of notability. Please read WP:ORG. Also, you don't have any reference that establishes the notability of the department. --Ragib (talk) 03:56, 17 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with SUST. If the parent article becomes too long, it would be strategically better to create separate pages for the Schools, and only if those get too long as well should the departments have separate WP pages. Technically (WP:RS), the EEE department is not separately notable at this time. --Pgallert (talk) 21:17, 16 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Shahjalal University of Science and Technology. No need to flood WP with indiscriminate info. -- P 1 9 9 • TALK 14:18, 23 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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