Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Crime in the Netherlands

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was TNT. There is consensus among participating editors that while the article's topic (Crime in the Netherlands) is notable, this article is actually a list of non-notable crimes and thus there is a consensus to delete. This AfD does not prevent any interested editor from starting an article which gives an overview of Crime in the Netherlands. Barkeep49 (talk) 12:25, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Crime in the Netherlands

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Per WP:NOTNEWS #2, WP:NOTDIRECTORY #7. Page is an indiscriminate list of individually non-notable crimes which occurred in the Netherlands. No contextualisation or summary information is provided. An article on Crime in the Netherlands might be possible, but this is not it; start again per WP:TNT. Ryk72 ^talk 07:40, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. Ryk72 ^talk 07:40, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It are not all non-notable crimes. Should it be better to call the page: List of major crimes in the Netherlands, instead of: Crime in the Netherlands? Lukasvdb99 —Preceding undated comment added 07:51, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Netherlands-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 07:54, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete – (I'd be OK with userfy/draftify if someone wanted to work on it). Crime in the Netherlands should be a prose article, not a list, similar to Crime in France or Crime in China, or any of the other Crime in... articles. A list of major crimes in the Netherlands should start as a section of the Crime in Netherlands article, and not as a stand-alone list. See WP:LISTCRUFT. The article in its current form violates WP:NOT, and I agree with the nom that WP:TNT is necessary. The article should be removed from mainspace until it's written in prose. – Levivich 16:32, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, is it good when I add more info tho this page about crime in the Netherlands, like in the examples of other countries you gave, and make a separate article with the list of major crimes? But I need some time to improve this page, so don’t delete it yet.-Lukasvdb99 17:30, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Wikipedia is not a current day version of the The Illustrated Police News or the local crime roll in your local newspaper. This should be an examination of crime overall in the country, not a list of crimes. Nate • (chatter) 18:51, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral. I believe "Crime in -country-" articles are essentially a good idea if the articles are properly referenced, written in prose, and depict major crimes. This is however a mere listing of whatever happened in the Netherlands last month. I would vote for delete in its current form, but I still believe someone will be bold and turn this at least to a decent stub or start-class article.--Darwinek (talk) 00:00, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. This is an article-worthy topic, but this is simply the wrong approach and it would need to be so heavily edited to change that that it would be functionally equivalent to just deleting it and starting over. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:29, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and change to overview the topic, like said above--Seacactus 13 (talk) 22:42, 12 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep but it needs a lot of work. Oranjelo100 (talk) 23:16, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This is not an article about "Crime in the Netherlands" but a list of quite "normal" crimes. It is not a viable topic and I believe it might violate WP:BLPCRIME to name non-notable people as (even suspected) perpetrators. An article about "Crime in the Netherlands" should be started completely from scratch and I don't think this should be kept in any namespace. -kyykaarme (talk) 09:14, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and rename to List of 2019 crimes in the Netherlands or something along these lines. The current name is unacceptable for reasons of recentism. Format is also a problem, as mentioned by others before me. gidonb (talk) 00:19, 17 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Why? I don't believ we have list of crimes by year for any other country, which we shouldn't because Wikipedia is not the newspaper. Beeblebrox (talk) 02:31, 17 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The chronological scope is way too narrow to call this crime in the Netherlands. Per WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, we do not learn from the existence of other articles that an article should exist. Likewise, from the lack of other articles, we should not conclude that such articles shouldn't exist. Even so, there are plenty of terrorism by year articles. If I recall correctly, not only terrorism by year articles, also for distinct other crimes. WP:NOTNEWS does not prohibit such lists or summaries, including in the (for me preferred but not justified by this list) series of crime by country. Among other concerns, Not News does raise concerns of recentism, just as I did. gidonb (talk) 02:53, 17 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.