Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Comparison of device tracking software

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge/redirect. I've done the redirect. Any interested party may pull any content worth merging from the page history. Beeblebrox (talk) 01:24, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comparison of device tracking software

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WP:RS; WP:NOT. The article was both created (17 May 2010) and expanded so as to promote one software company’s product (Prey) over its competitors’. See, e.g., Table, cols. 1, 3, 4, 8. The company is privately held and its headquarters are located outside the jurisdiction of any Anglo-American or European court. The product could be the best of the eleven rated or it could be a significant security risk. — Dervorguilla (talk) 08:27, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Possibly merge with Device tracking software. Proposer should explain why policies apply, not just throw abbreviations around: "When making your case or responding to others, explain how the article meets/violates policy rather than merely stating that it meets/violates the policy." (WP:AfD). But there's a shortage of notable entries: only 3 entries in the list are software that currently has a WP page, and a list of 3 items is a bit short. The entry Device tracking software is also stubby, but it's a legitimate topic. Who created the page does not affect its notability. There's a lack of reliable sources at present but some of the products are widely reviewed, so finding sources should not be a problem. --Colapeninsula (talk) 11:37, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I am the CEO of one the companies on this list and I agree that the article is promotional. I would hate to see every conceivable product category filling up wikipedia like this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.198.213.46 (talk) 16:46, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Compare Prey, http://preyproject.com/index.php (“The name and logo for Prey are registered trademarks of Fork Ltd.”), with USPTO, Trademark Elec. Search Sys., http://tess2.uspto.gov/index.html (no record for word mark “Prey,” owner “Fork Ltd.”). Cf. Fox-Stanley Photo Prods. v. Otaguro (D. Mass 1972) (holding that where corporation did not own a valid registered trademark, corporation’s representing to public that it did own a registered trademark was illegal use). — Dervorguilla (talk) 05:32, 16 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:54, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:54, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Computing-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000^(talk) 14:05, 16 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

~~Procedural Keep~~ – per WP:DEL-REASON; the nomination is vague in referring to entire guideline and policy pages (WP:RS, WP:NOT) to justify deletion, and the article has no promotional tone as of the time of this post. Northamerica1000^(talk) 14:09, 16 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Responsive to Northamerica1000, Procedural Keep:

WP:NOT -> WP:NOTADVERTISING

Advertising. All article topics must be verifiable with independent, third-party sources ….

WP:RS -> WP:SELFSOURCE#Self-published_and_questionable_sources_as_sources_on_themselves

Self-published … sources may be used as sources of information about themselves, … so long as: the material is neither unduly self-serving nor an exceptional claim; …; [and] the article is not based primarily on such sources.

14 references: all are self-published; most are wholly self-serving.

EXO5 / Enterprise Laptop Tracking & Security; GadgetTrak / Laptop theft recovery software, stolen laptops, data protection, theft recovery software for laptops; GadgetTrak Blog / GadgetTrak Recovers Stolen Laptops & Unveils Identity Theft Ring; Hidden / Mac Theft Protection Software; LaptopSentry / Protecting your computer, Safeguarding your data; Laptop Security Software Solution / Laptop Tracking Software, Antivirus, Encryption, Firewall - Protegent360; LockItTight / Locate, track & monitor computers & phones online; Recovery Stories / The Absolute Software Blog; MyLaptopGPS.com / Global Laptop Tracking; Brigadoon Software / PC PhoneHome theft location & recovery software stops computer theft; Prey / Open source anti-theft solution for your laptop, phone & tablet; Prey / Recoveries; Orbicule; Orbicule / Undercover - Mac - Recovery stories.

— Dervorguilla (talk) 06:50, 17 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Thanks for clarifying your rationale. Struck my procedural keep !vote above. Northamerica1000^(talk) 10:38, 24 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Problems with sourcing should be fixed by editing not deletion, if better sources exist. For LoJack you could use[1][2][3][4][5]. Here's a review of LockItTight[6]. Here's a comparison of laptop tracking software.[7] --Colapeninsula (talk) 11:34, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 09:25, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I've added some more third-party refs. It should not be deleted, though merge remains a strong possibility. --Colapeninsula (talk) 11:48, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Device tracking software. Topic is presumed notable. Material and organization needs to be improved. --Kvng (talk) 13:54, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Fixd 2 lks. --Dervorguilla (talk) 19:01, 21 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The factual accuracy of the “For desktop/laptop PCs” section is disputed.

E.g., compare

Product:  PC Phone Home[15]
 Documented recoveries:  No

Product:  Hidden[5]
 Documented recoveries:  No

with

PC PhoneHome Testimonials, Brigadoon Security Group (2012)

“What people are saying about PC PhoneHome™ …”

About Hidden, Hiddenapp.com (2011)

“Hidden[™] in the Press: BBC News; Yahoo News; New York Times; …”

— Dervorguilla (talk) 23:44, 23 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Strong delete. One of the worst "live" examples I've ever seen in Wikipedia. I wouldn't oppose an edited merge to Device tracking software. --→gab 24dot grab← 17:14, 27 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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