Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chapter Eight: The Upside Down

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Stranger Things (season 1)#ep8. Randykitty (talk) 13:37, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Chapter Eight: The Upside Down

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Was redirected as part of an AfD, after which, nothing has changed. This article is virtually identical (in terms of sourcing and content) as that which was redirected as a result of that AfD. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 22:21, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 22:21, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: The old AfD from October 2016 was set up, and passed, because a lot of the episodes from the first season were basically a copy\paste. This article is an exception to the rest, due to the fact that it's NOT a copy\paste unlike the rest of the episodes. Have a look at the reviews, they are specifically about the episode. The Optimistic One (talk) 02:23, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – per nom, this is nearly identical to the article that was AfDed, as can be seen via a simple compare. —Joeyconnick (talk)
- Comment: And is it nearly identical to the rest of the episodes of this season? That AfD, was set up and passed for the reason being that most of the episodes were basically a copy\paste. If it was nominated separately, it probably would have been kept. The Optimistic One (talk) 19:35, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Selective merge to Stranger Things - this article is headed by a tag saying the article may be of interest only to a particular audience. Vorbee (talk) 15:00, 17 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: And? That's only a minor issue that can be fixed easily. The Optimistic One (talk) 23:45, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Stranger Things (season 1)#ep8 to preserve history. -BRAINULATOR9 (TALK) 21:44, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 05:40, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 15:06, 29 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Stranger Things (season 1). Disregarding the excessive unreferenced plot detail, there isn't enough content here to justify a separate article. There is also no rationale given for why this episode should have a separate article - it has no particular features that make it more notable than other episodes, it's simply the season finale. The two sources discussing it reflect that, and those sources would be better employed in the Stranger Things (season 1) article, where discussion of the season finale can best be placed in the context of the season as a whole. A future split would only be justified on WP:SIZESPLIT grounds or if this episode later became notorious for some reason. ----Pontificalibus 15:47, 29 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: @Pontificalibus: The excessive plot can be trimmed down easily. If the references refer to this particular episode rather than the season as a whole, then what's the problem with the article. I'm sure there's plenty more reliable sources disscussing this episode. The Optimistic One (talk) 18:11, 29 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There are reliable sources discussing in detail whether Brenner is still alive after the monster jumps on him, but we don't need an article on the topic. The "production" and "reception" sections just reiterate information about the season (e.g. like all the other episodes it was directed by the Duffers. Shawn Levy of 21 Laps Entertainment produced it,and like the rest of the season it was released on July 15, 2016 on Netflix). The "reception" section likewise talks about the episode as part of the season. We give quotes such as "I've rarely seen a series as inviting...", "Stranger Things ends the way it began...". There's nothing to justify coverage outside of the season article.----Pontificalibus 07:12, 30 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I just googled the episode and I found several other sources for the episode alone, just because the episodes current state isn't satisfactory and looks vaguely similar to the rest doesn't mean it should be taken off completely. The Optimistic One (talk) 20:11, 2 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Here are sources for the episode not currently being used: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5]. The Optimistic One (talk) 03:06, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Quit dissembling: it doesn't look vaguely similar to the rest... it is nearly identical. If someone later wants to write up a properly sourced version that meets notability standards, it's not like the page couldn't be recreated. —Joeyconnick (talk) 05:42, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.