Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chance and Community Chest cards

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus to delete. There is a fairly strong consensus that the article's contents should be merged somewhere and the article should be redirected somewhere, and I would encourage a discussion on the talk page as to exactly where that should be. Stifle (talk) 08:56, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Chance and Community Chest cards

The whole article is mostly unsourced, (the references at the bottom don't point to any place in the text) the middle 80% of it is listcruft on what each card contains. The lead is really the only relevant part to the page, and that can be merged into a section at Monopoly (game) CTJF83Talk 07:34, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as unsourced, and besides I can see no basis for using so much space on this particular aspect of the game vs. others. WillOakland (talk) 08:05, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Game-related deletion discussions. -- the wub "?!" 09:12, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Needs a good decruftifying and sourcing, thats all. The general popularity of monopoly has caused numerous element's of the game, such as the chance cards, to assume greater cultural importance in the United States (and possibly elsewhere) that equivalent elements in similar games. Horselover Frost (talk) 10:45, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Do you have any evidence that it has "assume[d] greater cultural importance"? They would both be fine having a section on the Monopoly page. CTJF83Talk 15:16, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. per Horselover. The Community Chest card has also inspired a popular T-Shirt. DollyD (talk) 11:10, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete — Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. MuZemike (talk) 16:06, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or merge selectively per WP:N and WP:IINFO. "inspired a popular t-shirt" is not a compelling argument since I can go to cafe-press today and be "inspired to create" a t-shirt on anything. Should I use the "New Jersey Girls aren't Trash, Trash gets Picked Up" shirts and write an article about girls from New Jersey? The preponderance of the article is devoted to what the cards read in each edition. The material in the lead, presuming that it is sourced to the reference at the bottom, would be perfect for the main Monopoly article. But as is, the article is not inside our inclusion guidelines. Protonk (talk) 16:27, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Delete This is game guide material if I ever saw it. Further, I think this is probably a copyright violation. Hobit (talk) 19:29, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, do not pass Go Proof that not all trivia is interesting, and a reminder of why trivia sections are discouraged on Wikipedia. The article is apparently about former versions of those orange and yellow cards in previous editions of Monopoly. Happily, there is a Monopoly Wiki where minutiae like this can be preserved [1], and maybe this "history" can live on somewhere else. Mandsford (talk) 23:59, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Monopoly itself is culturally significant, and Chance and Community Chest cards are one of the most significant aspects of the game. Many chance-based games (not just board games) use cards drawn from the top of a deck, and that phenomenon all started with the Chance and Community Chest cards. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dstebbins (talk • contribs) 13:30, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm trying to imagine how poker was played before Monopoly started the trend of drawing cards from the top of the deck. Mandsford (talk) 16:56, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ya, they may be important to the game, but not important enough for their own article on Wikipedia. CTJF83Talk 19:21, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as game guide material. --Craw-daddy | T | 20:40, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merge the non-game guide material to teh Monopoly article. -- Whpq (talk) 16:06, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge appropriate materials to Chance card and Community Chest cards, then delete this article. Redirection is not an option as this would have two equally valid targets. This article cannot stand per WP:NOT, plus there is a definite lack of sourcing. B.Wind (talk) 03:05, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.