Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/CIITM

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Nominator has withdrawn and there is a broad consensus to keep. —Tom Morris (talk) 18:33, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

CIITM

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Unclear notability. Creator has possible WP:COI. Perhaps someone with a better understanding than me of the Indian educational scene can help the page creator to establish notability, assuming that's possible. Nczempin (talk) 06:58, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 12:18, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 12:18, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

• Keep. Verified tertiary educational institutions are usually held to be notable. This appears to be an accredited college with a proper campus as opposed to one of the tiny fly-by-night private colleges that we certainly don't keep articles about. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:28, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

• They seem to be very careful not to say "AICTE accredited" (in the article as well as on the web site). Instead, they say "AICTE approved, and affiliated to the accredited University of Rajasthan" (on their web site). Nczempin (talk) 13:25, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

This page is similar to hundreds of other pages on wiki , I am not getting what is the problem with this page. People use Wiki as the source of authenticated information. So even if this college has its website, it should have its page on wiki for user verification. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.215.172.61 (talk) 08:54, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

• WP:OTHERSTUFF is not a good reason to keep any particular page. If you are "not getting what is the problem", try following some of the links that were provided here on this page and on the article's page, that point to some important Wikipedia guidelines. For example, there is one that encourages you to sign your posts on talk pages. Or there's one that helps you decide what's notable and what's not. For the cases where it's not immediately obvious to everyone that it's one way or the other, we have discussions such as this one. I'll post some additional help on the talk page of the IP address you posted from, which may or may not be the same one you're using right now. Nczempin (talk) 11:09, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

• Keep - tertiary institutions have long been considered notable and I see no reason why this one should be any different. TerriersFan (talk) 15:45, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

• This is clearly something else than a typical university. Unlike Necrothesp's conjecture, this is not an "accredited college", and it does not award "accredited degrees". CIITM is one of 202 "affiliates" of Rajasthan Technical University. They have 13 classrooms that hold a maximum of 60 students each. Is it really notable enough to have its own page, or could it be merged into the parent university/universities? Nczempin (talk) 22:10, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

• "University" and "tertiary institution" are not the same thing. An institution does not have to award its own degrees to be notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 23:10, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

• I'm aware of that. So any tertiary institution is notable by default. Then why is there no Speedy-Keep? Perhaps you could address my other questions/concerns, but if there's no point in any discussion, just let me know. Nczempin (talk) 06:24, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

• No, not actually "notable by default", but long-standing consensus is that all secondary and tertiary institutions are notable and they are invariably kept at AfD. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:02, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps you could address my other questions/concerns, but if there's no point in any discussion, just let me know. Nczempin (talk) 12:37, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

• Keep - Seems to be a legitimate tertiary educational institution. Regarding the "AICTE approved, and affiliated to the accredited University of Rajasthan" bit, that kind of arrangement seems to be fairly common in India. I can't explain what it means, but I've seen it many times before. --Orlady (talk) 21:26, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

• Well, I was hoping someone ("with a better understanding than me of the Indian educational scene") _would_ be able to explain. Nczempin (talk) 23:16, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

• I'd like to withdraw my nomination; the evidence/consensus is overwhelming. No idea if this comment is sufficient, or what if anything else I need to do. Nczempin (talk) 23:25, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

• AICTE allocates the no. of seats that a college can have in engineering and management. Thats why the term 'approved' is used. Rajasthan Technical university conducts the exams and provide the degree under Rajasthan University, that is why the term 'affiliated' is used. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Manojcsl (talk • contribs) 14:54, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

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