Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/C. M. Koopman

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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 00:11, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

C. M. Koopman

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Lack of sources, both on Wikipedia and through a Google Books/Scholar search. This journal article mentions a Lieutenant Colonel with the same last name, but it is only a bare mention and I am unsure whether it is even the same person or not. NW (Talk) 23:40, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

For people without JSTOR access, this (poorer-quality) scan is the same page. Killiondude (talk) 23:46, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Per the image caption, the woman in the article is "Ine Koopman". The original version of the article also referred to her as a second lieutenant, so it's unlikely they're the same. Shimgray | talk | 18:14, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I have found no sources whatsoever. Furthermore, she was not a recipient of the American Freedom Medal `or if she was, it might have been under her maiden name or some other name.--Kudpung (talk) 16:39, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

On what evidence do you base the statement that the subject didn't receive a Presidential Medal of Freedom? I can't find any comprehensive list of recipients, and neither, apparently, can anyone who has edited List of Presidential Medal of Freedom recipients. If you know of such a source then I would suggest that you use it to update that list, or at least present it on the talk page so that others can use it. Phil Bridger (talk) 23:28, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

BURDEN Phil, BURDEN. I would be silly to rely on information in the Wikipedia! I went to the true source - the official US government site 5and not one of the many incomplete private sites that list the same thing). If she ain't on that government site, it's good enough for me and it's good enough for us all. Making false claims to a highly important decoration like that is a serious affair. It's not up to us to prove she didn't have it - it's up to someone else to prove she did.--Kudpung (talk) 19:41, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I know about WP:BURDEN, and, because of that, haven't !voted to keep, but your statement that "she was not a recipient of the American Freedom Medal" presents that information as if it was established fact, which overstates your case. If you don't know whether a statement is true or not, please use wording such as "it has not been established that she was a recipient of the American Freedom Medal" rather than imply that you have established that she was not. The official US government site only covers recipients from 1993, so is irrelevant to this discussion. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:27, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Medicine-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 00:53, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 00:53, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Conditional keep: if a reliable source can be found to establish she is actually a recipient of the Presidential Medal of Freedom, then she has sufficient notability. If not, then Delete. bahamut0013^words _deeds 12:34, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I could not find any sources that could establish that this person won the Medal of Freedom. The burden of evidence is on the editor making the assertion that the subject did win the medal. Narthring (talk • contribs) 15:55, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Completely unverified, could even be a hoax. What is the likelihood of a Dutch nurse getting the Medal of Freedom (or any other high American award) for efficient work in a UN hospital? The only category listed is "living people" yet the article describes who she "was"; if still alive she must be well into her 90s. Absolutely nothing can be found about her in a search except this article. Not only is it unverified that she got the Medal of Freedom - it is unverified that she existed. --MelanieN (talk) 15:09, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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