Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/C-Note (rapper)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Ryan Postlethwaite^{See the mess I've created or let's have banter} 20:22, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

C-Note (rapper)

Procedural nomination in response to re-PROD of previously PROD/de-PROD'd article. The most recent PROD nominator stated "fails WP:MUSIC", while the first PROD nominator stated simply "notability"; the remover of the first PROD stated "charting artist meets WP:MUSIC". User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 19:21, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. This artist has yet to receive non-trivial coverage from reliable third party publications. JBsupreme (talk) 19:21, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I remember the original PROD last fall, my initial concerns are still here. Marlith (Talk) 19:46, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Unverifiable, uses only primary souces that apparently don't support the claims made here (COI maybe?). / Blaxthos ( t / c ) 20:38, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I continue to fail to see why this is germane. There are no primary sources provided! Chubbles (talk) 19:24, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, meets notability as per WP:MUSIC#C2 for a charting album, billboard.com. Doesn't mean the article doesn't need a rewrite though. Esradekan Gibb ^"Talk" 22:57, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the charting album criterion of WP:MUSIC, but yeah, needs improvement. --Delirium (talk) 00:18, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not so sure that somehow being involved with a charting album (a sign of popularity, not notability) is a free pass from our WP:BLP policy. Is it? JBsupreme (talk) 07:21, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per Blaxthos. Xihr 19:50, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Author Keep I fail to see how this article fails WP:BLP. There are no COI concerns here; I wrote the article. No primary sources are cited whatsoever; Blaxthos;s concerns are illegitimate. The charting albums are verified with reliable sources, and substantiate his notability per WP:MUSIC. Chubbles (talk) 13:48, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per Blaxthos. I don't feel there is a COI issue at stake, but the lack of note from reliable third party publications is an overriding problem here. RFerreira (talk) 18:56, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your argument essentially amounts to: "The article does not pass WP:MUSIC bullet 1, and so should be deleted". I see no reason to disregard the other points of the guideline here. Chubbles (talk) 19:24, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Since you're the author, can you demonstrate non-trivial coverage from multiple third party publications? I would be happy to reconsider but for now my !vote from last Thursday still stands. JBsupreme (talk) 05:58, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Being as the artist made the Billboard charts, we have definitive evidence of his having reached a level of significance - that's what WP:MUSIC is supposed to measure. MIRS are therefore supplementary, rather than necessary. For reasons that are unclear, some editors have, of late, decided that hip-hop should not be held to WP:MUSIC and should instead be judged only according to its first bullet, which is just WP:BIO. (A similar result was reached in T-Rock's AfD/DRV's, which I regard as astoundingly misguided.) Again, WP:MUSIC is here for good reason, and I don't see any compelling reason to ignore it. His most recent album received an Allmusic review (which is cited in the article), and that's eight years down the line from his 1999 charting album. Chubbles (talk) 14:13, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 21:53, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Charting satisfies criteria #2 of WP:MUSIC. Only ONE of the categories needs to be satisfied. The link provided by Esradekan clearly shows that the charting album was not by the boy band, removing any question that assigning that info to the rapper was OR. Lack of other sources is not a reason to delete, they may be a reason to rewrite but I can't see where that would be needed. Duffbeerforme (talk) 10:22, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Delete nn WikiScrubber (talk) 17:19, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep He charts, so we keep him. I don't how its non-notable. Pie is good ^{(Apple is the best)} 20:16, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.