Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Breaking Mysterious

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The result was delete. Sandstein 19:22, 26 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Breaking Mysterious

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Sourcing is a long ways away from meeting WP:GNG. Despite having been aired in several different regions, the only available sources are entries on affiliated websites, TV databases, and press releases. I couldn't find anything in several different internet searches, although it was admittedly complicated by a lot of false positives from news reports that include the phrase "breaking mysterious". _signed,Rosguill ^talk 04:37, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 04:37, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 04:37, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This is a History Channel series that has been broadcast in the United States and in many countries around the world. It deals with important, non-fiction subject matter, such as NSA mass surveillance programs (interview with former NSA employee Thomas A. Drake), CIA mind control experiments (MKULTRA), the JFK assassination (interview with former Secret Service agent Abraham Bolden, who protected JFK), etc. There is surprisingly little information on this series available beside this Wikipedia article, so it would be a shame to delete it. I have not been able to find any news articles or reviews of this series, but it is not a major network program aimed at a mass audience. Ghostofnemo (talk) 04:51, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete It apparently premiered in 2017 on H2 in the United States...which is impossible since H2 has been Viceland since early 2016. Another paint-by-numbers history series that exists to merely fill a timeslot, and not much more. Nate • (chatter) 07:18, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Does Wikipedia really want to be an encyclopedia that has an article about Dads (2013 TV series) (which has been called the 2nd worst TV series in modern history - https://www.businessinsider.com/worst-tv-shows-of-all-time-critics-2016-10 ) but not have an article about a series dealing with serious issues in American history from a critical perspective? Ghostofnemo (talk) 23:53, 20 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It seems to me like you're trying to WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS, which is not what Wikipedia is for. On a separate note, if you think that a being aired on the History channel is evidence that something is serious, important television, I have some bad news for you... _signed,Rosguill ^talk 00:08, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Dads lasted an entire season on a major broadcast network with known actors...of course we're going to put it here, no matter if it literally dissolved brains as viewers watched. This is pretty much "Tin Hat Theories: The Series", lasted six episodes with little to no public notice, and we can't even source its airing history because the premiere date and air run corresponds to a time where its network didn't exist. We have some basic inclusion standards here, and this doesn't meet them. Nate • (chatter) 03:33, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thomas Drake is a real person and NSA mass data collection was real: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jun/12/snowden-surveillance-subverting-constitution MKULTRA was a real CIA program: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7920010/cia-mkultra-mind-control-drugs-hypnosis-electric-documents/ The JFK "Chicago Plot" was a real, historical event: https://abc7chicago.com/archive/9315215/ These are not "Tinfoil Hat" conspiracy theories, although some people would like to paint them that way.

Yes, and we have what I hope is a decent article about MKULTRA and all these other events. But just making a tv show about an important event does not make the tv show itself important or notable. That having been said, what's important in this discussion is the sourcing, not the subject matter. Find me three multi-paragraph reviews (or other significant coverage) of Breaking Mysterious in reliable, independent sources, and I will be more than happy to vote keep. Though you may want to avoid looking for coverage in The Sun (RSP entry) _signed,Rosguill ^talk 07:16, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

To address the concern about this being a show about imaginary topics, I've added references to the article for most of the topics featured in the program. Ghostofnemo (talk) 01:16, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There are now three or more citations by media websites in the article. According to WP:GNG, "Sources do not have to be available online or written in English." Ghostofnemo (talk)

Other languages are fine, but the sources you've added are not significant independent coverage, they're either 1) TV guide style listings or 2) unrelated articles about the subjects of the TV show that do not mention Breaking Mysterious. Please look for actual reviews of the subject by professional critics, as they are generally the easiest kind of significant coverage to find for a tv show. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 17:23, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

These look more like reviews than TV listings to me.

Investigate some of the greatest mysteries with HISTORY TV18’s ‘Breaking Mysterious’!, Media Infoline https://www.mediainfoline.com/entertainment/history-tv18s-breaking-mysterious
Breaking Mysterious, TV Time https://www.tvtime.com/es/show/343890 Google translation: "Radio announcer Jimmy Church and a dedicated group of collaborators investigate the greatest mysteries and controversies of our strange world. Is the CIA behind a popular mobile game? Did the US Government create an army of mentally controlled murderers? Other issues they will deal with are: a possible plot to assassinate President John F. Kennedy weeks before the tragic events in Dallas, a search for the missing Confederate gold, a new and unsuspected lair of Bigfoot, a novel travel theory in time, and some nuclear weapons missing in the US. We seek revelation, the answers, the truth. We seek to understand what is not explained."
Otkrivanje tajanstvenog, Moj TV https://mojtv.net/emisije/98596/otkrivanje-tajanstvenog.aspx Google translation: "Is a popular virtual smartphone game part of a CIA surveillance plot? A look at the frightening future of armed microdrons and the search for the first National Security Agency alert to inspire Edward Snowden. These are just some of the mysteries this series reveals to us. Radio presenter Jim Church (Blackout, Coast to CoastAM) and a dedicated group of truth-seekers embark on a journey to explore the greatest mysteries, controversies, and conspiracies of our strange world: a possible secret UFO underwater base off the coast of California; a popular virtual smartphone game that may be part of a CIA operation; the alleged plot to assassinate J.F.K. just weeks before the tragic event in Dallas; the search for the lost gold of the Confederacy; the appearance of Bigfoot in an unexpected area. All this, with a new theory about time travel and atomic weapons lost off the coast of Georgia. To get the answer you have to unravel in a mysterious way." Ghostofnemo (talk) 10:20, 25 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - most of the references look like TV listings WP:REFBOMBING - other references are supporting the topics of the shows - the topics covered by the series may be notable, but there is nothing to show that the series itself is notable per WP:CONTN, "Article content does not determine notability" - Epinoia (talk) 00:49, 26 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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