Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bravium Computers

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Fritzpoll (talk) 17:40, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bravium Computers

moving from declined speedy deletion request. Non notable local computer store. No indication of notability. RadioFan (talk) 21:33, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bravium Computers is the only computer manufacturer in South Africa that exclusively develops desktops and servers powered by Ubuntu. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.145.96.68 (talk) 06:13, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This AfD nomination was incomplete (missing step 3). It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 11:30, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of South Africa-related deletion discussions. --RadioFan (talk) 11:36, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Essentially unreferenced article about a local tech business. The fact that it equips its products with a freely distributed operating system does not make this business notable under the applicable guideline. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 14:00, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. this article lacks 3rd party references to establish notability of the business. Dialectric (talk) 14:17, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. -- TexasAndroid (talk) 15:25, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Computing-related deletion discussions. -- TexasAndroid (talk) 15:26, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Article has now been re-written, to exclude business content and include important information relating to computer manufacturers and the open-source community in South Africa. Addition of references: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu#Vendor_support, http://wiki.clug.org.za/wiki/Where_do_I_get_Linux_and_open-source_software%3F -- -- 41.145.43.228 (talk) 14:37, May 29, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Are there better sources available to help demonstrate the notability of this company? Wikipedia is not an appropriate reference and the other one is self published. Also the rewrite now calls this company a manufacturer. Can you expand on that? I'm still not convinced that this is more than a small business selling preloaded linux systems and not notable as a result.--RadioFan (talk) 19:40, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please see my comment below which essentially agrees with you. This is nothing more than a local tech business assembling and selling PCs. Zunaid 13:41, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Lack of significant in-depth coverage in reliable sources to demonstrate notability. Drawn Some (talk) 21:05, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Selling hardware with a free operating system does not qualify as notable. Article needs to provide sources on the company which treats the company as the primary topic and gives it in depth coverage. Being South African and a computer geek I can also comment that I have never heard of this company before (not that that is a deletion criterion). Note that the company is also less than a year old so is hardly likely to have established Wikipedia's required level of notability in that time. The article thus comes across as self-promotional. Zunaid 22:23, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

To put this into a bit more South African context, the company is a local PC vendor of which there are literally thousands in South Africa operating in shopping malls, main streets or business parks. They are not one of the major PC wholesalers such as Rectron or Sahara Computers, nor are they one of the big PC retail chain stores such as Incredible Connection. It is HIGHLY unlikely that they have achieved the required level of third party sourcing to meet WP:CORP in the one year they've been in existence, Google backs me up on this observation. This Google search brings up only the company's website, the Cape Linux User Group's wiki and listings on various retail and business directories. Zunaid 13:41, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Article revised 02 June 2009. Addition of 3rd party reference by consulting company, Adroit Consulting. Addition of extra information regarding South Africa. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.158.152.209 (talk) 16:04, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think you misunderstand Wikipedia's requirements for articles on corporations. The article you cite is about Ubuntu Linux in a South African context, and in the last paragraph mentions Bravium Computers as a vendor in no more than a few lines. It is not treated as the main or even a significant part of the subject matter of the article in question. Zunaid 13:41, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.