Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Backstop (Transformers)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 16:48, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Backstop (Transformers)

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Article sourced only to primary sources that fails WP:GNG for fictional characters. The usual plan for such non-notable characters is to redirect/merge to a minor characters list but none appears to exist. Black Kite (t) (c) 18:23, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:19, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Notable character article that just needs work. At the rate these deletionists are nominating articles, how can they expect work to be done on them! Keep and start nominating them at a sane pace. Mathewignash (talk) 21:09, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Fail WP:GNG, sourced to 1 fan site and 1 primary source. Tarc (talk) 17:00, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Due to failing notability. This article is just not worth keeping. NotARealWord (talk) 21:21, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. <redacted> Donald Schroeder JWH018 (talk) 09:50, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please try and be civil. Being civil is important here. NotARealWord (talk) 11:56, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - notable multi media character where reliable sourcing can be found. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 01:00, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. How in cunt's sake can you vote keep. The problem is that reliable sourcing cannot be found. Would you care to rustle up some? Donald Schroeder JWH018 (talk) 01:36, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Norton -- Name one. Your comment is rather dubious.Bali ultimate (talk) 18:30, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to List of Transformers: Cybertron characters, the Transformers: Universe is just a toy release. —Farix (t | c) 01:12, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- When dealing with non-notable character articles, it is always preferable to look for a list or to create one to merge the article into, or merge/redirect them to the main article instead of outright deletion and is in keeping with the WP:PRESERVE policy. Only in cases where the character is completely incidental should it be deleted. —Farix (t | c) 18:19, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Obvious delete- "sourced" to a fansite and primary material, way too heavy on plot summary and fan trivia, and the character is already covered in appropriate depth at the suggested merge target. And though I don't agree with the incivility, Donald Schroeder is 100% correct: what you have to do is provide the sources, not just claim falsely that they can be found. Reyk _YO! 07:49, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete since no reliable sources establish any realityverse relevance for this fictional thing in a way that would allow for encycopledic coverage of it separate from the work of fiction it inhabits. To wikia with it.Bali ultimate (talk) 18:28, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep: Notable multi media character and reliable sourcing can be found. - Ret.Prof (talk) 22:16, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Why did Ret. Prof directly copypaste Richard Arthur Norton's !vote? Especially since Richard Arthur Norton's !vote kinda lacks argumentative quality. Seriously, !vote-ing without an argument is not what AfDs are for. NotARealWord (talk) 22:49, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Answer: Because he is right. Also Mathewignash makes a good point. Therefore I am changing to - STRONG KEEP - - Ret.Prof (talk) 03:20, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

All this is then is another !vote that will likely be discarded in the final tally, no worry. Tarc (talk) 03:51, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You guys are way out of line. I happen to agree with Norton and Mathewignash. No need to get nasty! Trying to push people around is not the way to win people over. Please try and be civil. Being civil is important here. (more direct CP) - Ret.Prof (talk) 04:28, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Logic-free, discursive AFD votes are uncivil and are insulting to the editors trying to grapple with the facts at hand. Trying to skew AFD arguments with patent nonesense is no way to win people over. So please try and be civil. Make a real argument or don't comment.Bali ultimate (talk) 12:59, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: This is notable character article and I agree that at the the rate the deletionists are nominating these articles, how can they expect work to be done on them! These deletionists really do hurt Wikipedia. As for the "Logic-free" insult well I guess the best thing to do is to ignore and move on. - Ret.Prof (talk) 16:17, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Tell me, how is Backstop notable? If this was notable, we could have an article on Serpentera or Emperor Zurg or Yes Guy from the Simpsons. I'm pretty sure all of those are more known than Backstop. NotARealWord (talk) 19:43, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Yes, please tell us how this character is notable in the grand scheme of things. Donald Schroeder JWH018 (talk) 01:12, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.