Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alpha Trion

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Should be re-nominated or merged if notability is not forthcoming. I've trimmed out the spurious non-free images. Black Kite (t) (c) 16:39, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Alpha Trion

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Non-notable fictional character. The article is basically just a list of appearances in various media padded out with a load of in-universe stuff. No decent sources cited. J Milburn (talk) 18:54, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - This is a major fictional character, who Hasbro has recently expanded on in it's fiction. Mathewignash (talk) 20:43, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's a major character if reliable sources have decided it's major, not if you have. Do you have any reliable sources? Perhaps you'd care to turn the article into something resembling an encyclopedia article? J Milburn (talk) 20:48, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm in the process of getting from books ordered from my library system to use as sources for several Transformers articles. So please hold off on deleting them until they arrive. Mathewignash (talk) 10:08, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:21, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to the list of Transformers characters article. 76.66.193.119 (talk) 04:16, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This is a often used character in Transformers history who has been around for over 2 decades in various forms, and linked to in over a hundred other articles on Wikipedia. 198.51.174.5 (talk) 16:50, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Ok, that's nice. Do you have any reliable sources to demonstrate the notability of this character? J Milburn (talk) 23:35, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for lack of reliable sources and claim/evidence of notability. Redirect to an entry on an appropriate List of Transformers characters -- although nothing more than a quick blurb would be appropriate; there's no need to retain any of this indiscriminate, trivial information for merge-history concerns. --EEMIV (talk) 10:48, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I fail to see the logic in tagging one of the more important Transformers articles out there for deletion. Just because YOU never heard of him, does not mean he isn't a major fictional character. Mathewignash (talk) 22:19, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - This isn't about who's heard of who. I come across a great number of articles on subjects I've never heard of; if this character genuinely is significant, there will be reliable sources out there and a half-decent article could be written, as opposed to what is there now. J Milburn (talk) 22:26, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - If people would bother to take a look, I've added an expanded opening paragraph which is more encyclopedic. Removed an excess image, removed some fan speculation, added some book references from the first book which I got from the library, and tried to improve the article. Sadly I'm not an expert writer, nor do I have unlimited time and resources, but the article is improving.Mathewignash (talk) 22:28, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      - Still, what we're left with is a large, large amount of in-universe trivia. Less is more- do not be scared to cut out the rubbish. It's better for everyone involved if we can salvage a decent article from this. J Milburn (talk) 00:06, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        I've removed about 25% of the size of the article, without actually removing any useful content. It's a start. Mathewignash (talk) 01:23, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:01, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Merge I was unable to find many reliable sources even discussing the character, and none which focused on the character exclusively. Does not constitute significant coverage per WP:GNG and should not have its own article. --Odie5533 (talk) 01:00, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Even if one goes by the GNG for topics of this sort, there is no requirement that there be "many"sources, nor that the sources be exclusive. They just have to be substantial--more than a listing. DGG ( talk ) 04:41, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per DGG. Also it does need a lot more work to fix it up, but it can be fixed (and it looks as if Mathewignash is working on it). Some time and effort could turn it into a decent article. Jenks24 (talk) 15:47, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Being a fictional character on a tv show or film does not mean notability. Has character become a cultural figure? Has the character been the subject of a major WP:RS other than trade publications? Cookiehead (talk) 18:21, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.