Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Advances in Group Theory and Applications

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete both. I am willing to userfy the article about the organization to the author, if requested. --MelanieN (talk) 01:24, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Advances in Group Theory and Applications

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Non-notable new journal. Not indexed in any selective databases, no independent sources. Does not meet WP:NJournals or WP:GNG. Randykitty (talk) 21:45, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. This appears to be a legitimate new journal and not one of the many predatory journals that have been popping up like mushrooms. In particular it claims not to charge authors for publishing, always a good sign. But it's too soon to tell whether it will become notable. —David Eppstein (talk) 22:04, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
"Advances in Group Theory and Applications" is a new journal, but its editorial board, which is listed in the journal web page is formed by 13 very well-known mathematicians. Their quality can for instance be checked either using the MathSciNet data base of the American Mathematical Society or the Mathematics Genealogy Project. It is reasonable that in the next few years the journal will have a prominent role in the mathematical world. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Francesco de Giovanni (talk • contribs) 22:09, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Mathematics-related deletion discussions. Everymorning (talk) 22:12, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:CRYSTAL/WP:TOOSOON and WP:NJOURNALS. This is a non-notable journal, and the article was created by the EiC of the journal. If it becomes notable, then we can have it, but not before. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 22:25, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete New journal which has not yet proven Notability. Just because notable people are involved in the journal does not make the journal itself notable for Wikipedia standards perWP:NOTINHERITED.- McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 22:31, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Note added a second article about the organization which writes the journal which fails to meet notability standards aswell. I am pinging previous editors to reassess @David Eppstein:,@Headbomb: and @Randykitty:.
- The organization and conference have apparently been running for eight years now, so they have a more plausible claim of notability than the new journal. But we need reliably published sources that are independent of the organization and attest to its significance, in order to pass the general notability guideline. The article currently has no such sources and without them we can't keep it. —David Eppstein (talk) 22:51, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  - The society has organized conferences with the same title in the years 2007, 2009, 2011, 2013, 2014, 2015. For each of them the proceedings have been published in the journal "Note di Matematica", and fully reviewed by "Mathematical Reviews" and "Zentralblatt fur Mathematik". In the website of last conference (the 2015 edition) you can find the link to all these proceedings. Francesco de Giovanni — Preceding unsigned comment added by Francesco de Giovanni (talk • contribs) 22:59, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  - I should also mention that I was one of the founding editors of the journal "Journal of Group Theory" (published by de Gruyter), and I was a member of that journal since 1996 to 2014. The "Journal of Group Theory" was born as a consequence of an international conference that I organized in 1994 (Infinite Groups 1994), whose proceedings were published by de Gruyter. The new journal is a consequence of many discussions between people working in the area during the last edition of the conferences, and reflect the opinion of the editors of the opportunity of having an open-access journal out of the commercial system; all publication costs will be covered by the association AGTA. Francesco de Giovanni — Preceding unsigned comment added by Francesco de Giovanni (talk • contribs) 23:10, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    - That's laudable and quite hip, but unfortunately it doesn't help your open-access journal: notability is not inherited. Now, what you said about, about published proceedings, that's theoretically helpful in establishing notability for the organization (not yet the journal). Can I point out to all participants that we're talking about two different subjects here, a journal and a professional organization, each of which have very different notability requirements? Don't throw out the organizational baby with the journalish bathwater. Drmies (talk) 23:30, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- I appreciated very much the last comment by Drmies. Actually, it is probably true that it's too early to establish notability of the journal, and I probably it would have been better to wait, say at least one year, to propose that article. The situation of the Society is quite different, and I could add to the article a complete list of references of the published proceedings, which would probably convince you about its notability. Thanks in any case for your attention.Francesco de Giovanni (talk) 23:40, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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- I have just added more information about the publication of the conference proceedings in article of the society "AGTA - Advances in Group Theory and Applications". I hope it can help!Francesco de Giovanni (talk) 23:51, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Delete both; the society isn ot notable either. It has organized a short series of conferences, published in a minor journal. DGG ( talk ) 23:28, 10 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- To DGG: Your comment is very strange: look at the list of speakers at these conferences - they are among the recognized best world researchers in this area of mathematics, even a field medallist Francesco de Giovanni (talk) 00:26, 11 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: More discussion is needed about the orgainization's article; there is certainly a consensus to delete the article about its journal. L Faraone 16:04, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, L Faraone 16:04, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete both as WP:TOOSOON. There is consensus for deletion of the journal article, per Faraone above. The organisation does not yet meet WP:ORG. --Bejnar (talk) 19:29, 17 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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