Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2009 Espinar bus crash

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus‎. Numerically with 2 keep !votes, three delete !votes and a merge there's no obvious consensus here. The main issue under discussion was whether there was WP:LASTING coverage of this event, and on that !voters differ, so in terms of argumentation there was also a deadlock. With three re-lists there is no further scope for relisting.

My suggestion to anyone seeking to renominate this is to analyse the references in detail and discuss to what extent they do/do not sustain the notability of the topic. FOARP (talk) 09:22, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2009 Espinar bus crash

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Lacks sustained coverage in secondary sources and had no lasting effects. This is a news article. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:52, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events, Transportation, and Peru. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:52, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Just imagine if an accident that killed 41 people that happened in the UK or USA was nominated for deletion! Clearly WP:SYSTEMIC. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:25, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 23:08, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete – There appears to be some continued coverage that may demonstrate the event's notability,^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4] however, the fact that some do not provide significant coverage of the event plus the lack of demonstrable lasting effects all make me lean towards a weak delete. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 17:07, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Mal estado de vía sería causa de accidente" [Poor road conditions could cause an accident]. Diario Correo (in Spanish). 29 December 2009. Retrieved 18 October 2024.
^ "Internan en penal de Chumbivilcas a chofer que causó 42 muertes al volcar bus" [Driver who caused 42 deaths when bus overturned is held in Chumbivilcas prison]. Agencia Peruana de Noticias (in Spanish). 13 May 2010. Retrieved 18 October 2024.
^ "La tragedia que enlutó la Navidad" [The tragedy that darkened Christmas]. Diario Correo (in Spanish). 25 December 2010. Retrieved 18 October 2024.
^ "Ni empresa de transporte, ni aseguradora reparan a vï¿½ctimas de accidente | La fuga de Guapo Lindo" [Neither the transport company nor the insurance company compensates accident victims | The escape of Guapo Lindo]. El Búho (in Spanish). Retrieved 18 October 2024.

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: For policy based input please
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 01:25, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: No one is disputing the existence of the systemic bias mentioned by Necrothesp. In this case, however, the bias is inherited. If this crash were to happen in the UK or US, there'd be massive national and international media coverage, and annual observance days would be covered by local media for lasting impact, not to mention likely changes in regulations. Biased as it is, we are bound by what secondary sources provide us with. Owen× ☎ 14:49, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting for one more chance for editors to find significant coverage, given the systematic bias concerns and the coverage that has been found so far.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, asilvering (talk) 16:42, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I think this clearly passes WP:GNG with the sources presented above. Keeping or deleting something on bias grounds is a bit ridiculous - you have to take each topic as it comes, knowing that GNG in one country will look different in another. That doesn't matter - the key is there were major feature stories and follow up articles in local press. The next problem is someone still needs to add them into the article... SportingFlyer T·C 21:01, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Yauri, Peru as alternative to deletion. Sources aren't forthcoming so there is no basis to keep a dedicated article but the topic can at least be mentioned in the article about the place where it happened. It can always split out in summary style. czar 03:53, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

[1] "Mal estado de vía sería causa de accidente" [Poor road conditions could cause an accident]. Diario Correo (in Spanish). 29 December 2009. Retrieved 18 October 2024.

[2] "Internan en penal de Chumbivilcas a chofer que causó 42 muertes al volcar bus" [Driver who caused 42 deaths when bus overturned is held in Chumbivilcas prison]. Agencia Peruana de Noticias (in Spanish). 13 May 2010. Retrieved 18 October 2024.

[3] "La tragedia que enlutó la Navidad" [The tragedy that darkened Christmas]. Diario Correo (in Spanish). 25 December 2010. Retrieved 18 October 2024.

[4] "Ni empresa de transporte, ni aseguradora reparan a vï¿½ctimas de accidente | La fuga de Guapo Lindo" [Neither the transport company nor the insurance company compensates accident victims | The escape of Guapo Lindo]. El Búho (in Spanish). Retrieved 18 October 2024.

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