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Happy editing! -- Toddy1 (talk) 12:42, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

October 2020

Hello, I'm Toddy1. I noticed that you recently removed content from 2020 Hathras gang rape and murder without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on the article talk page. Thanks.-- Toddy1 (talk) 12:42, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I'm Materialscientist. I noticed that you made a change to an article, Balrampur gang rape, but you didn't provide a source. I’ve removed it for now, but if you’d like to include a citation to a reliable source and re-add it, please do so! If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Materialscientist (talk) 13:08, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to 2020 Hathras gang rape and murder, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear to be constructive and has been reverted. If you only meant to make a test edit, please use your sandbox for that. Thank you.-- Toddy1 (talk) 13:21, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on 2020 Hathras gang rape and murder; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
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If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. -- Toddy1 (talk) 13:44, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Balrampur gang rape; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note:

Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. -- Toddy1 (talk) 13:44, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Kautilya3 (talk) 19:15, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

May I know the reason you your edit to 2002 Godhara train burning. It has been proved that 59 hindu karsevaks were killed ,then what is the point of writing 59 people and not 59 hindu karsevaks Whydocare (talk) 13:08, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Edit warring at Balrampur gang rape

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 5 days for edit warring. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions.

During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.

The full report is at the edit warring noticeboard. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 21:30, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well what to do when your people arent ready to listen? I replied to Toddy but he wasnt interested in productive discussion. Instead of discussing ,you blocked me. Whydocare (talk) 05:57, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Your contribution history shows no contribution to the article talk page, or even a reply on this talk page.-- Toddy1 (talk) 09:35, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Respected sir,your bias is clearly visible to me. You added upper caste men to Hathras case but you didnt add Muslim men to Balrampur case,why? Can you please state the reason for this bias. Whydocare (talk) 13:04, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is based on what reliable sources say.-- Toddy1 (talk) 13:35, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And reliable sources say that Balrampur victim was raped by muslims,right? Shahid and sahil are muslims right? Then why dont you added "Muslim men" to the accused? Whydocare (talk) 03:03, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

When your block is over, you should use Talk:Balrampur gang rape to explain why you think that the article should say that the people arrested were muslims. It would help if you gave citations to reliable sources, and explained where in these sources it said that the people arrested were were muslims.

If you resume edit warring after you block ends, you will get a longer block. It is in your best interest to use the talk page.-- Toddy1 (talk) 07:56, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The wikipedia article itself says the accused are shahid and sahil. Would you please answer why did you add Upper caste to Hathras case and why arent you adding muslim men to Balrampur case Whydocare (talk) 08:08, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Because Wikipedia is based on what reliable sources say. If that does not explain it to you, then use the time of your block to read what reliable sources say.-- Toddy1 (talk) 11:41, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dear toddy,your own wikipedia article on Balrampur case says that the accused are Shahid and sahil. Open your eyes and see. And I very well know that even if I state a source ,you an others would be crying that the source isnt reliable,just like how wikipedia couldnt edit Tahir Hussain and Ankit sharma Whydocare (talk) 11:44, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to get an indefinite block, then carry on assuming that we are all in a conspiracy against you. We are not. What you need to do is to read the following, and accept that they mean what they say.

All that has happened is that these policies have been enforced, and you chose to edit war against the community, which resulted in a one week block. Blocks tend to escalate, so if you carry on edit warring after your block, the next block will be bigger.-- Toddy1 (talk) 11:58, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

After getting unblocked I will state the source which is Times of india then we will see if you still edit out the part or not Whydocare (talk) 12:03, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And Im not afraid of getting blocked,after mentioning the Times Of India article if I get blocked again then also I will keep editing using other devices. Thankyou Whydocare (talk) 12:05, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, Wikipedia welcomes diversity of opinions. But it only works if you accept the need for verifiability, no original research, and neutral point of view. We do not want people on a crusade to right great wrongs. You repeatedly added that the suspects were muslims, and you put that into sentences that had citations. But the citations did not explicitly state the suspects' religion. You were told this[1] by Materialscientist but you ignored him/her. What you needed to do was to find reliable sources that explicitly stated that the suspects were muslims - and if they existed to cite them. What you are not allowed to do is to say that the suspect's name was Moses, which is a Jewish name, so therefore the suspect was a Jew. The is called synthesis and is banned.-- Toddy1 (talk) 12:12, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes toddy,I said for the next time I will state the citations from Times Of India. And then I will see how neutral you people are to accept this Whydocare (talk) 12:14, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note that The Times of India is not a reliable source for almost anything contentious, as per WP:RSP. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 17:23, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What an obvious answer,lol. Altnews and thewire are reliable sources but TOI isnt reliable. What a joke wikipedia is Whydocare (talk) 17:26, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

When you get unblocked, bring whatever sources you think are reliable to the article talk page, and explain how they support what you want added to the article. If there is a Times of India citation that explicitly says the religion of the men arrested it is at least a starting point. -- Toddy1 (talk) 18:37, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Haan havve haan Whydocare (talk) 03:28, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

October 2020

Hello. This is a message to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions, such as the edit you made to 2020 Hathras gang rape and murder, did not appear constructive and has been reverted. Please take some time to familiarise yourself with our policies and guidelines. You can find information about these at our welcome page which also provides further information about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. If you only meant to make test edits, please use your sandbox for that. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you may leave a message on my talk page. You are again making changes to this page, without explaining your edits and without discussing on the talk page. The issue of mentioning caste of accused has been extensively discussed on Talk: 2020 Hathras gang rape and murder. Please be advised disruption editing can cause blocking.ChunnuBhai (talk) 08:37, 28 October 2020 (UTC) ChunnuBhai (talk) 08:37, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]