User talk:SBWIAdmissions

April 2025

Your account has been indefinitely blocked from editing because it has been used for advertising or promotion, which is contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia. Also, your username gives the impression that the account represents a business, organisation, group, or website, which is against the username policy.

If you intend to make useful contributions instead of promoting your business or organization, you may request unblock and a username change. In your reasons, you must follow all these steps:

Disclose any compensation you may receive for your contributions in accordance with the paid-contribution disclosure requirement; and
Convince us that you understand the reason for your block and that you will not repeat the kind of edits for which you were blocked; and
Describe in general terms the contributions that you intend to make if you are unblocked; and
Provide a new username.

To do this, insert the text {{unblock-spamun|Your proposed new username|Your reason here}} at the bottom of your talk page. Replace the text "Your proposed new username" with your new username and replace the text "Your reason here" with your reasons to be unblocked.

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Cullen328 (talk) 02:10, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Sam Beauford Woodworking Institute

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A tag has been placed on Draft:Sam Beauford Woodworking Institute, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations for more information.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator. Cactus🌵 ^spiky ^ouch 10:10, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've declined this speedy, because IMHO on the merits the draft is marginally sourced but not unduly promotional for an editor's first draft. I encourage PROD or XFD if this needs to be deleted by process. Otherwise this unfinished abandoned draft will automatically G13 after 6 months. BusterD (talk) 13:19, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Sam Beauford Woodworking Institute (April 23)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Cactusisme was:

This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Sam Beauford Woodworking Institute and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

Cactus🌵 ^spiky ^ouch 10:11, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, SBWIAdmissions! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Cactus🌵 ^spiky ^ouch 10:11, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This user's request to be unblocked to request a change in username has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without a good reason (see the blocking policy). Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

SBWIAdmissions (block log • active blocks • global blocks • autoblocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Requested username:

DenaDenaPublicContributor (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Request reason:

I would like to request an unblock and a username change. I understand that my previous edits were interpreted as promotional, and I now realize that Wikipedia is not a platform for advertising or promotion. I sincerely apologize for those contributions and take full responsibility.

I am affiliated with the Sam Beauford Woodworking Institute (SBWI), and I now understand that I am required to disclose any paid contributions. In compliance with Wikipedia’s [paid contribution disclosure policy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Paid-contribution_disclosure), I disclose that I may receive compensation as part of my role at SBWI.

Going forward, I intend to contribute factual, neutrally written content about historically significant woodworking programs, educational institutions, and trades education. I will ensure all information is thoroughly cited from reliable, independent sources and avoid any promotional tone or conflict of interest. My goal is to contribute to Wikipedia in a constructive and policy-compliant manner.

I would like my username to be changed to **DenaDenaPublicContributor**, or another similar name if that is unavailable.

Thank you for your consideration.

Decline reason:

I don't even need to use a checker to see that you wrote this with an AI. You are blocked, not an AI, so we want to hear from you directly. Please write in your own words without the aid of an AI. 331dot (talk) 11:00, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I understand, I have resubmitted an unblock request and was unaware that the use of AI to assist with responses was prohibited. Please review the new request. SBWIAdmissions (talk) 12:07, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This user's request to be unblocked to request a change in username has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without a good reason (see the blocking policy). Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

SBWIAdmissions (block log • active blocks • global blocks • autoblocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Requested username:

DenaDenaPublicContributor (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Request reason:

I would like to request an unblock and a username change. my previous edits were interpreted as promotional.

I work for the Sam Beauford Woodworking Institute (SBWI), and I understand that I am required to disclose any paid contributions. I disclose that I receive a salary from SBWI.

My goal is to contribute factual about significant things in the woodworking and forest product industry, educational institutions, my city of Adrian, Michigan and trades education. I will ensure all information is thoroughly cited from reliable, independent sources.

Please update my username to **DenaDenaPublicContributor**.

Decline reason:

That would be fine as a new username. However, you appear to want to exclusively edit about topics for which you have a conflict of interest. You seem to know that you will need to declare as a paid editor, but you will also need to tell us how exactly you intend to make COI related contributions; or alternatively, agree to edit about topics for which you have no conflict of interest, so you can build up an edit history showing you understand relevant polices before making COI related contributions. I am declining your request. 331dot (talk) 14:14, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I am not a paid editor and I am requesting to edit topic that I have knowledge and expertise in. Why would i try to edit anything other than what I am familiar? Would you suggest I edit Wikipedia posts about quantum physics? I would argue that it is against the very principles of an encyclopedia to not have content written by someone who is familiar with the topics. Also, how can i build up an edit history if i am not allowed to edit anything, or even allowed a username? I clearly disclosed that I work at SBWI. A college located in Adrian, Michigan. SBWI is missing from Wikipedia. Because of that it makes many of the pages connected to Michigan, Lenawee County, school, colleges in Michigan, etc inaccurate and missing information. Basic knowledge of the existence of an educational facility is not promotion. Providing factual information about a school in a geographic area improves Wikipedia and is the very foundational definition of an encyclopedia. An encycopdeia is a work that contains information on all branches of knowledge or treats comprehensively a particular branch of knowledge usually in articles arranged alphabetically often by subject. I argue that by denying my ability to provide information is in fact a COI against the encyclopedia that you are graciously volunteering your to improve. SBWIAdmissions (talk) 14:38, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is very twisted logic, IMHO. Any editor is allowed a username. Any editor is welcome to get editing experience in any of seven million existing reader-facing pages. Choices tend to reveal a lot about the editor. A new user who chooses to name themselves SBWIAdmissions (a promotional name violation) and whose only edit choices are to Sam Beauford Woodworking Institute is clearly working in the interest of the institute and NOT primarily in the interest of creating the world's best online encyclopedia (all that other stuff we value). Any editor who doesn't choose to work according to our longstanding social norms is going to get pushback from others who do so choose. Wikipedia is not the yellow pages. If our encyclopedia was a mere directory of schools, your client/employer wouldn't value en.wiki as they seem to do. The tragedy here is that the named institution may even meet our standards for inclusion. (For the record, I am the sysop who declined the speedy deletion tag this am, thinking the writing was marginal and sources were weak, but findable. I'm often a softie for 401c3 orgs.) Even paid editors may be able to work on Wikipedia so long as they follow our rules including full disclosure. Since you're apparently dedicated to this one specific subject, and you want to dispute our rules of behavior, you've locked yourself out. Too bad. BusterD (talk) 15:44, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Choosing to use an LLM to propose an unblock request puts this misbehavior in a darker different category, I'll concede. BusterD (talk) 15:58, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I guess I am not understanding the logic to the rules. Im glad that you agree the Institution may meet the standards. I appreciate you declining the speedy deletion tag. I agree that including the institute on wikipedia is good to increase the credibility of SBWI by a very marginal amount. It is also beneficial to wikipedia users by having more complete information of schools and post-secondary institution and improves the pages related to our geographic area. I was not hired to make a Wikipedia page by SBWI. I work for the institution to educate young people to work in the trades. If it is discouraged for people affiliated with the institution, and it is discouraged for the institution to hire a professional, how would the information ever get added. I think I am being punished for being transparent which ultimately hurts the wikipedia users. Are you willing to advise me on the path forward? What should i do? SBWIAdmissions (talk) 16:45, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I thought User:331dot's explanation above was correct and complete. You need to change your username as you've suggested. Wikipedia:Changing username has the relevant instructions, although by using an LLM to write the first unblock request you're not doing yourself any favors (you must admit to using one). If you're deriving any income from SBWI then you are a paid editor by our standard. Then either you have to tell us how you're planning to use COI edits, or you need to agree to edit about topics for which you have no conflict of interest, so you can build up an edit history showing you understand relevant polices before making COI related contributions. If you were to promise to acquire WP:Extended confirmed permissions (by editing for 30 days or more, performing 500 new edits), you'd convince 331dot, according to their unblock refusal above. After you were to do this, I'd be glad to help you with the draft, but I'm making no promises as to whether it would be accepted. You have six months before the draft is automatically deleted. BusterD (talk) 19:32, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note that I'm not the blocking admin, so I'm not the one to convince, but that's not an unreasonable proposal. 331dot (talk) 19:55, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

OK I can do that. SBWIAdmissions (talk) 22:09, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Our articles are typically written by independent editors wholly unconnected with the subject, who take note of coverage of a topic, and summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage say about them. You ask, "Why would i try to edit anything other than what I am familiar?" Of course most people edit about what is familiar. That is different than editing about a topic with which you are associated, like your employer. You and your employer have very different interests than Wikipedia does. You said " . I agree that including the institute on wikipedia is good to increase the credibility of SBWI by a very marginal amount. It is also beneficial to wikipedia users by having more complete information of schools and post-secondary institution and improves the pages related to our geographic area"; that's a promotional purpose. The presence of a Wikipedia article should not confer credibility(it can often do the opposite) and doing so is not our interest. We're only interested in building an encyclopedia of human knowledge. 331dot (talk) 19:54, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I can do that. I understand that you all must be overly cautious about promotion. This started when I was helping my daughter with a school project about Adrian, Michigan. While researching I noticed the Adrian, Michigan page said Adrian was home to three colleges. This struck me as odd, because I work at the forth college in Adrian. I thought I would take some time to update that page. While adding SBWI to the list of colleges, I noticed all the other colleges had internal links to Wikipedia pages. So i thought SBWI needs to have a wikipedia page, so people can do accurate research in Adrian. So I began the process of making that page. Unfortunately, its not as easy as it seems. What started as an elementary research project turned into a whole thing. I still believe that the page i submitted is factual with reliable outside links from unbiased news sources. With all this said, sure, I will play the game. SBWIAdmissions (talk) 22:17, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This user's request to be unblocked to request a change in username has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without a good reason (see the blocking policy). Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

SBWIAdmissions (block log • active blocks • global blocks • autoblocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Requested username:

DenaDenaPublicContributor (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Request reason:

My goal is to contribute factual information to acquire WP:Extended confirmed permissions. I will ensure all information is thoroughly cited from reliable, independent sources.

Decline reason:

No. This doesn't come close to addressing the problems that lead to your block. Yamla (talk) 13:23, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I also want to mention that I now have read the COI policy, and have a slightly better understanding of the procedure for disclosing.