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Draft:Sending

I have undertaken another one of my quixotic quests to make an article out of a concept so broad and vague that it just barely pulls together. Would you like to help thread this needle? BD2412 T 15:26, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Odd and interesting. I've got a deadline for offwiki publishing by tomorrow. But I'll look into it. GMGtalk 22:30, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
Thanks. No deadlines here, of course! BD2412 T 00:26, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
This one is actually now finished and live (so much for no deadlines), but now I'm turning my attention to my oldest live draft in the social science field: Draft:House guest. BD2412 T 05:21, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
@BD2412: Working though the first one little by little. But oof. Just realized there's no article for "waving" in the communicative sense. Just the physics topic of waves. GMGtalk 11:42, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
Wave (gesture)? BD2412 T 17:03, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
Well that is a poor redirect. GMGtalk 17:20, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
I put in a move request to make Waving the title of the article on the gesture. BD2412 T 18:00, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you

for this. I still have no idea why I'm perceived as "involved" when I'm absolutely not. Glad to have external endorsement that I haven't lost my marbles. Star Mississippi 14:56, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

The thing seems fairly poorly handled. From handing out an indef while community discussion on an IBAN was ongoing, to pitching a fit because they're the one who get's to decide when a block "served it's purpose," to taking the entire thing off-wiki and telling folks not to worry about it.
It's definitely an approach I've taken before, because I'm a father with a six-year-old. But being a mop isn't being a parent, and nobody really get's to say "my house, my rules, go to your room." GMGtalk 17:05, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
Hah! I'm not a parent, but can totally see how your comparison works as I just spent part of the week with a 5 and 7 year old.
I'm definitely befuddled but guessing I was the sacrificial lamb for some reason. Oh well. Thanks again Star Mississippi 17:43, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

WP:MOSSIS says "Do not make a section whose sole content is box-type templates."-- Toddy1 (talk) 13:55, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

@Toddy1: Uh...yeah. It's not a box. That's why we have bulleted inline templates for sister projects. Take a deep breath, drink some water, and go back and read the entirety of the guidance you're citing. GMGtalk 14:20, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
(Talk page watcher) I agree, the section edit was a good edit. No issue here. BD2412 T 21:28, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

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Your comment at RFA made me look at the candidate's uploads. They suggest to me that (Redacted). Discretion being the better part of valor, and having already incurred plenty of wrath, I'll not raise the issue at RFA itself. Banks Irk (talk) 01:37, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

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As someone who has English as their second language, I want to thank you for your grammar fixes and copyedits to Skibidi Toilet! I hope the subject matter didn't cause physical pain for you. :) Ca talk to me! 13:19, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Not at all. No worries. After spending all night at a Christmas party (which for some reason is still a thing on the 30th), and one that had way too many crying children, it was nice to sit on the deck in silence for a spell and just do come copyediting. Feel free to reach out any time I can be of any help. GMGtalk 13:32, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

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I don't disagree with your removal of the content on Hazbin Hotel. I think the Mary Sue article is somewhat passable when it comes to this, but... when looking up "verbalase hazbin hotel" this morning, I couldn't come up with ANY other reliable sources. So, it should remain removed from that page (or anywhere else). Historyday01 (talk) 14:25, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

We don't normally compile online videos about a subject in prose. GMGtalk 17:09, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

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Treating new accounts like sockmuppets damages wikipedia's credibility. OPENCodeCCCCCC (talk) 15:50, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Do you want to damage wikipedia's credibility by restricting new accounts with valid points?

Why are you treating me like a sock muppet even though I wrote the right thing? If your account is locked, the only option is to create a new one. OPENCodeCCCCCC (talk) 15:53, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

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Woobie?

Woobie??

Woobie?!?

Keerist on a crutch, what have you people done with my Army? Qwirkle (talk) 04:20, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure most people really appreciate that the more manly-man a profession is, the more gay it is. I assume it started out as a joke, that someone needed a security blanket. Now we literally refer to it as a woobie in official packing lists. See also ranger panties, which I'm really surprised is a red link. There are signs saying "no ranger panties" at the chow hall along with "no soiled PTs". But whatever. I wanna be in the trench with the ranger pantie guy. He's probably a competitive marksman or makes explosives for fun. GMGtalk 11:34, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Oh, yeah, there’s all that, but there’s also a real Silly Names Tradition in the Green Machine, along with a countervailing trend. I can still recall an old colonel whose lips would twist sneerward when he heard someone call an M-79 a blooper. Qwirkle (talk) 19:09, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Never touched one. We get the under-barrel thing. There's probably a stupid name for it too. GMGtalk 23:32, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

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“Tim Walz was NOT a commander! That must be removed immediately. Its false and untrue.”

Dunno about Command Sergeant Majors, but there certainly seem to be a lot of Command Private Majors coming out of the woodwork on that article. Illegitimi non carburundum. Qwirkle (talk) 05:10, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

PS. Notice just being “false” isn’t enough; they gotta null-and-void it. Qwirkle (talk) 05:10, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Yeah...folks who talk about the military but have never served tend to have a bad poker face. It's really in the involuntary things, like using terminology that is maybe technically correct in a very literal sense, but is just never something anyone in uniform would ever actually say. Like dude who complained about Walz not "completing the testing." There's a lot of testing involved. Drug tests, vision tests, HIV tests, hearing tests... but nobody would ever refer to the SM Academy as "the testing". GMGtalk 10:46, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
Do you remember the old joke about the Sergeant Major test site? Qwirkle (talk) 17:35, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
? GMGtalk 18:08, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
One of the truly great shaggy dog stories; it can be expanded to fill a whole evening if desired. Qwirkle (talk) 21:46, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
By all means. GMGtalk 23:49, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

So, on an obscure part of Fort Fillintheblank, hidden by forest, and surrounded by triple standard concertina and the occasional toe popper, there is a single company's worth of quarters and motor pool where an engineer unit maintains a nearby grassy parade ground with fanatical fervor. At each side of the secret field are concrete curbing and gutters. Every fillinthetimeperiod, when it becomes obvious a few more Smadges are needed, prospects are sent TDY orders, and the engineers begin final preparations. A giant crane rail emerges from its hiding place, and slowly makes its way down the field, guided by the curbing. Hanging off it are soldiers armed with grass shears, comb rakes, potting soil and grass plugs perfecting the lawn without stepping on a single blade. When the job is done, the OIC flips a single cigarette butt into the field.

On the testing day, each prospect is sent down a trail to survey the area, and report his findings.

Some poor souls quickly return, and simply describe a grassy rectangular field. They will soon be passed over twice.

Some take their time, and qualify and quantify, giving dimensions, grass height and cultivar. If they are precise and accurate enough, they will be encouraged to apply for warrant officer.

But the true Ser'eant Major returns almost immediately up the trail at a trot, eyes blazing, and says "THAT FIELD IS ALL FUCKED UP!"

Qwirkle (talk) 05:27, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Reminds me of the apocryphal story that there was a private walking on the grass in a parade field. Sarnt Major sees him and predictably "Get the hell off my grass!"
From the distance "Do you know what my name is?"
"No."
He rips off his name tape "Fuck you Sergeant Major!" And books it in the other direction.
But anyway, it is legit kindof weird that we use civilian contractors for so daggum many things but we still somehow end up with boots doing lawn care. I get the argument from attention to detail, good order and discipline, cleanliness wins and loses wars. But that's not really the kind of "mowing the grass" that the Army is supposed to be good at. GMGtalk 11:07, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
I was in the other camp, I think relying on contractors to the degree we now do is a big problem. There are four sets of prices for everything, and only three good ones: 0ne for those who know how to do it, and can, one for those who know how, but can't, one for those who at least watch the market, and one for those stupid enough to take all their advice from the people selling things.
There isn't, thank God, a vibrant private market in making war to compare our costs with. Qwirkle (talk) 16:24, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
I wouldn't be so sure. Didn't Russia just have a thing with mercenaries? GMGtalk 18:33, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
Joking aside, Wagner was one of the worst examples of privatization of gain and socialization of risks and costs in recent history, and that's a field with a lot of competition. Qwirkle (talk) 23:49, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
True — and I'm playing Devil's advocate a bit — if you've earned your CAB, you can make six figures pulling security for some...I dunno...trucking company in Syria or something. I know at least one guy who was probably going to drink himself to death and that was his way out. Get out of the States and have a weapon in your hand. Of course there's an entirely different issue there of the US subsidizing private...well...mercenaries...because nobody besides the government is going to pluck you out of high school and give you a quarter million dollars in training. These private contracts aren't exactly entry level positions. GMGtalk 10:59, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

This is a wider problem than many people realize. Everybody gets that new 2LT is often a net negative for a goodly biece of time, and that a guy starting basic training is not a useful military resource yet. The same is true, though, for most other professions, and the initial career of an engineer, say, was often in the murky overlap areas with the blue collar side of the profession. You got hired on into a vasty bullpen of a hundred desks, and did some drafting and site survey and eased your way into the realities of the job. For that initial period, though, you were a net liabilty to the company.

The bullpen is gone now; most of the introductory overlap is replaced directly by computers in most AE firms. I am not sure this is always progress. Qwirkle (talk) 18:10, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

I don't think I saw this reply, but yes. I grow tired of getting a 2LT who hasn't been to basic, hasn't been to BOLC, but it's our fault if they get a negative comment on their OER. I'm not even an especially good Soldier and I have no idea really how I made rank.
I remember as a young SPC driving an LMTV lost in the baaaaack woods of Knox with a 2LT and having to turn around. "Sir, I need you to ground guide me so I can back up." We're totally alone and in the dark. Dude looked at me like I was speaking a foreign language. If I was king of the Army I would do lot's of things, but the first would be to mandate that you have to at least make E4 promotable before you can commission. Sir, I appreciate that you have commendable power-point-fu and great cardio, but that doesn't apply to a lot of situations. GMGtalk 13:16, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
The change in ossifer training from back in my day appears to be pretty dramatic. There were examples of direct commissioning then that escaped immediate formal training in the basics of soldiering, but they were in the rare specialized MOSes, not in combat arms or combat support.
Getting away from that does not strike me as a change for the better. Qwirkle (talk) 11:04, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
I remember being on active for the 1980s government shutdowns, and watching how much chaos even a short interruption could cause. Hope you and yours are doing OK with the current CF. Qwirkle (talk) 01:07, 3 November 2025 (UTC)

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I noticed a "bad edit" on the page Weetamoo (she was a Native American tribal princess/queen in New England, Puritan times); I reverted the edit thinking "assume good faith". Then I realized that the edit looked like a poorly attempted citation, and the source was absolutely not encyclopedic (it's now a dead link, but something like https://web.archive.org/web/20170329044918/http://royalwomen.tripod.com/id7.html ) so I looked more and noticed the numerous other edits by the same user https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Wheeligrl18 , and there is some absolute trash in there, like "Weetamoo was an early example of gender fluidity" with no citation.

I got your name from an earlier kerfuffel on related pages with related users like Indigenous_Girl (who is no longer active) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive311#Buffs,_Indigenous_Girl_and_CorbieVreccan

you seem like you are not insane, so I thought perhaps you'd know where to point this. I (without a login) didn't want to start doing bulk reverts, and i'm not an expert on the topic anyway. The Talk page and the page itself seem to be not looked after by anybody reliable 98.7.197.219 (talk) 02:33, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Tripod is pretty categorically not a reliable source. As a teenager, I wrote a choose-your-own-adventure space odyssey on Tripod...just to ensure I never had a girlfriend. At any rate, the first step is to talk to the person, which is usually a pretty good move in most any disagreement. If that's unproductive, you might want to post on the talk page at WP:NDN. As a last resort, you could try posting at WP:ANI if the issues are systemic and attempts at discussion are entirely unproductive. Just be aware that ANI is unequivocally the worst place on the entire project, where time and effort go to die. But it does occasionally resolve things without making a bigger mess than there was to begin with. GMGtalk 11:30, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

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improve page Khiram village in Anantnag district union territory of Jammu and Kashmir, India

I edited this page on information which I first published on medium.com and Google Docs I wrote information based on my late grandmother views on my village shrine which I belong to so this information about shrine attributed to Prophet in Islam Mohammed where its believed there's is relic of Prophet now Wikipedia is raising many issues with that page if someone will remove those links where my original article was written based on my grandmother's views it will be wrong people make different perspectives about that article to maintain its original Author behind and with maintaining Wikipedias standards please improve this page Syed Abdul Jaleel Shah (talk) 13:27, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

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Please do not continue to edit war on this page. There is an ongoing talk page discussion, as well as other editors that have reverted the edit warring single purpose IP account. Please also disclose if that is your IP that you are using. As that would constitute socking. Iljhgtn (talk) 17:12, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Per WP:ONUS, it is your responsibility to argue why this stable version should be changed to your preferred version which is not backed up by either consensus nor the majority of the sources. You should get involved in the discussion and self-revert for now, or this risks immediate escalation to ANI. Iljhgtn (talk) 17:14, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
I think you need to re read ONUS. GMGtalk 17:15, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
I will quote it for you, since you don't appear to like quoting anything, "The responsibility for achieving consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content. Since I am arguing in favor of retaining the stable lead, and YOU are edit warring it to a NEW lead, then it is up to you to achieve consensus before we move to a NEW lead.
Please self-revert immediately. Iljhgtn (talk) 17:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Go to the talk page. I'm not carrying on this discussion in two different places. GMGtalk 17:23, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
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You should finish adding image descriptions to your page. I did one for you: [1] Anthony2106 (talk) 10:58, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

I'm indifferent. My user page is far too stupid for most people to peruse. GMGtalk 12:22, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
What about blind people? Anthony2106 (talk) 14:33, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
I'm not unsympathetic to blind people. I just don't care about my user page. I set it up years ago and have barely touched it. GMGtalk 14:59, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
We shouldn't feel empathetic[2] but just acknowledge that the page is less fun for them and it could be upsetting. Maybe I could write some for you later. Anthony2106 (talk) 01:30, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
Not trying to be a scold, but with respect to user pages, this is generally the sort of thing where you should mention it once and then move on. I understand your point, but arguing about it (even with a hefty degree of nominal civilly) is tantamount to simply coming out of nowhere to berate GMG over not sharing your priorities, which you might recognize isn't a very civil thing to do. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 14:06, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
At the end of the day, there are very many articles in mainspace that I'm sure are not compliant with accessibility standards. Nobody is going to be meaningfully impoverished by not having an image description on my userpage about how the Wikipedia mobile app kills puppies. GMGtalk 17:36, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
I thought every time you masturbate God kills a kitten, I didn't know the Wikipedia app kills puppies. Also I wasn't trying to beraid you over this and since I'm the only one botherd by it, I'll write the descriptions. Anthony2106 (talk) 11:03, 1 May 2025 (UTC)
Go for it. But make them amusing. GMGtalk 12:09, 1 May 2025 (UTC)
Honestly, now you're tempting me to get in on it... ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 14:03, 1 May 2025 (UTC)
It's not too stupid for me to peruse! Wait a minute... ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 15:04, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

See, this is what happens when you use the lower-price spread. Who ever heard of a watchcat? Get quality household gods. Bring back Mr. Fuzzybottom! Qwirkle (talk) 17:22, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

But...it's a cute picture... GMGtalk 17:33, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

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Hi- you've done a nice job on Robert Costa of CBS's page. Any chance you could find a more updated photo of him for that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flanner1989 (talk • contribs) 19:26, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

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