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Hindu kush

Where exactly (or likely) at the Hindu kush did the Indo-Aryans enter India? Did they follow the Balkh-river upstream, through what is now Bamiyan, Charikar, Jalalabad, Kabul, and then the Khyber pass? With other words, wasn't the Kabul-Kandahar line the most likely western border of the Maurya empire, effectively guarding the entrance to India? Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 17:52, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Cheetah reintroduction in India

Hi! You have been blindly reverting the edits on Cheetah reintroduction in India after multiple weeks of inactivity on the pretext of WP:ONUS. If you had actually taken time to go through the edits, it would be more clearer of what has actually been changed. What I have done is to move the citations to the body of the article as per WP:LEDE. The points in the lede essentially remains the same apart from minor tense/sentence corrections.

What you have been doing is add all the duplicate citations back to the lede, and add an additional unwanted clutter of images. So, it would be great if you can actually discuss or point out, what exactly your point of contention is, as I do not see any major points of contention here as such from the version you keep on reverting to. Thanks! M² (talk) 07:59, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

I wrote the lead that had been in place for quite some time. I did read through your changes. Please take to the talk page. Your edit has too many inaccuracies. Like I said, the WP:ONUS is yours.

Please don't talk to me in edit summaries and then engage in edit warring. If you do it again I will post on the user talk pages of administrators. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 13:13, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi

Since you've had extensive editing history on the article is it possible to comment on The Britiah Raj flag Sylvester Millner (talk) 22:41, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

The Raj, i.e. the British Indian Empire, did not have a flag. If it had had one, it would have found mention in the Imperial Gazetteer of India, especially volumes 1 and 4. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 23:07, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

So where should the current flag go?--Sylvester Millner (talk) 00:35, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

What current flag? Fowler&fowler «Talk» 00:36, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Please take this discussion to the article's talk page. Slapping a big flag on a talk page has no value on Wikipedia. Find scholarly sources that support the notion that the British Raj had a flag. Best regards, Fowler&fowler «Talk» 01:15, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Io Saturnalia!

		Io, Saturnalia!
		Wishing you and yours a Happy Holiday Season, from the horse and bishop person. May the year ahead be productive and distraction-free. Ealdgyth (talk) 15:09, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Season's Greetings

		Season's Greetings
		Wishing everybody a Happy Holiday Season, and all best wishes for the New Year! The Adoration of the Magi in the Snow (1563) by Pieter Bruegel the Elder is my Wiki-Christmas card to all for this year. Johnbod (talk) 17:36, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Seasonal greetings:)

Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2025!

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Happy Holidays!

Hello Fowler&fowler: Enjoy the holiday season and winter solstice if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:50, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

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Merry Christmas from the Bishonen conglomerate!

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Re:Season's Greetings

Dear User:Fowler&fowler, thank you for your kind Seasons Greetings wishes. I hope that you have a Merry Christmas and a most joyous New Year! With regards, Anupam^Talk 19:31, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Happy Holidays

Hello Fowler&fowler: Enjoy the holiday season and winter solstice if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, Abishe (talk) 13:18, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

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Happy Holidays

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Request

Yo. I hope you will look up to here once you have free time. and try to resolve it from NPOV. it's over 20 hour.

if you don't have time then tell me , i will handle it.

Much Regards. Callmehelper (talk) 16:08, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Rayka school

Thanks for the nod! The photo was taken in 2008, so the kids are now c. 25 yo. I wonder how they have got on. Happy holidays to all (again), Johnbod (talk) 16:17, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

The unemployment rate for the 15 to 35 age group in India is very high. I too wonder. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 18:01, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Baramulla

Hello! Just to clarify, the image you reverted is not of the oldest missionary school in Baramulla. It is baramulla public school a private local school. The oldest missionary institution is St. Joseph School. Looking forward to your thoughts. Aliyiya5903 (talk) 16:03, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

@Aliyiya5903: Please copy your post on the article's talk page, i.e. Talk:Baramulla, so that more people interested in the topic may view the discussion. Thank you. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 13:11, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Have a look

Have a look [1]. Thanks. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:21, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. Have reverted. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 17:29, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Have a look at these edits. British Era census data. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:07, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

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Indus sites inconsistency

Harrapan sites located in modern day India have an India portal, I just added Pakistan portal on sites in modern day Pakistan for the sake of uniformity. If you believe it is unnecessary (which I absolutely agree with) you must equally remove the portals from ivc sites in modern india as well otherwise it will be unequal and highly biased. Qaiser-i-Mashriq (talk) 09:42, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

Which ones are these? Please let me know. Pakistan, of course, has the major ones, the ones that brought IVC into the world's limelight 100 years ago. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 15:21, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

I checked Rakhigarhi, Kalibangan, and Dholavira, the major Indian IVC sites. They didn't have portals in See also. They did have overlong lists, one of which I have trimmed. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 15:22, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

I have reverted one of your reverts. We can't go against WP policy. That is nonnegotiable, Indian sites or no Indian. Please self revert the others. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 15:24, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

Please do not be intentionally ignorant or threaten me with penalties, extremely unprofessional for a guy who's been on wiki for almost 20 years (very impressive btw) Qaiser-i-Mashriq (talk) 19:47, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

Rakhigarhi and kalibangan do have India portal on see also and dholavira has on references, please cooperate otherwise I will not revert neither let you revert the Pakistan portals Qaiser-i-Mashriq (talk) 19:43, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

user:Joshua Jonathan can you help me here? Fowler&fowler «Talk» 19:47, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

It seems to me that Qaiser-i-Mashriq has a point: either country-portals should be included at both Indian and Pakistani sites, or no portals should be included equally. NB: I'm not a fan of portals. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 20:21, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

I apologize user:Qaiser-i-Mashriq, I thought you had added or attempted to add the portal in the form of a Wikilink in See also, which I thought was a little unorthodox. Please forgive me. Please revert my edits. Thank you user:Joshua Jonathan Fowler&fowler «Talk» 20:43, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

Gasho. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 04:19, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

ANI

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. - NitinMlk (talk) 01:24, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

That thread has been closed with an admonition from Cullen*:NitinMlk, are you actually arguing that a concession about a "happy medium" in wording that an editor made in July, 2022 is somehow binding in January, 2025? Surely you are aware that our consensus policy makes it quite clear that consensus can change. I presume that you are also aware that bickering about South Asian castes is highly problematic and administrators have little patience for such disruption. So please be cautious when editing in this topic area.

That concession was born of distaste for continuing on in a discussion that was mired in what Johnuniq, another admin, informed me about later had the hallmarks of WP:Civil POV pushing, though they did not say anything about this particular caste article. It took place before the enforced rest during COVID gave the sociologists, social anthropologists, and historians of India the time to produce a spate of new scholarly works. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 11:31, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

Bad article

Sir your work on articles from India is greatly appreciated and it's amazing including the map collection; you may know from this thread. Now i came a cross the article for serfoji II, and found that it's very badly written with a trivially low amount of sources. I am now working on a draft here. your inputs or contribution will greatly be appreciated. Thank you sir ☢️SCR@TCH!NGH3@D (talk) 12:19, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

Signposting for Jats redundant wording

Hello, I'm 49.204.142.89. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions to Jats have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Teahouse or the Help desk. “Somewhere, you made a big mistake, and I think you should take a look at Nitin Malik’s archive at Jats he clearly explained the tonning of non elites tilers at extended confirmed summary,

where he clearly restated that ‘non-elite’ is not an appropriate word for the Jats used in the leading of the section

. As a result, those fabricated statements are now being repeated. I suggest that this be corrected as soon as possible; otherwise, it can still be done later, but nothing can change the reality.”, as you did at Jats. 49.204.142.89 (talk) 16:58, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

Noting that this IP is a possible proxy belonging to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Truthfindervert - Ratnahastin (talk) 17:05, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

@Ratnahastin: Thanks for doing this much needed work. What about the editor who has given the ANI notice below? This talk page thread of this IP is very similar to what I remember of the ANI poster's from a few years ago. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 15:51, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

See the permeative resultant query at Talk:Jats#Lead's first sentence 49.204.142.89 (talk) 17:06, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

Its dosent matter whom i am, maybe you should worry about how to make people subconscious to make unpleasant comments on other 49.204.142.89 (talk) 17:09, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

India FAR

I hope all is as well as it can be in your family life, first of all. Secondly, if it is trivial to do so, I've realized I operate best in these collaborations when I'm assigned some specific tasks. So, if there is anything specific with India you know should be done but (obviously) do not have the time for, maybe let me know? I wanted to make up for my clumsinesses until this point anyway. Hope you are well. Remsense ‥ 论 00:29, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for posting and for your generous offer. Allow me a day or two to consider this. Thanks. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 00:57, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

Will reply by the end of the day. Thanks. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 15:42, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello Remsense, Unfortunately, I won't be able to take part in the India WP:FAR. I have to seriously take time off WP and will change my WikiBreak, which currently says, "generally," up top. Please get in touch with Vanamonde and CMD. Together, they should be able to steer India through the FAR. The page may not even need a formal FAR, if enough progress is made. I will post on the Talk:India page as well. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 01:16, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your work on-wiki, I hope things in your personal life go as easy or positive as they can go. Remsense ‥ 论 16:17, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

Himalayas

Hi! I am reaching out to you regarding your revert on Himalayas. While I understand that WP:Tertiary sources are not preferred, it was undue for you to do a wholesale revert of the changes without going into what has happened in detail, simply months after multiple intermediate edits by various editors.

You have restored an old version which still uses the same Britannica as the major source, so what justifies the usage here? Practice what you preach?
In the old text restored by you, large swathes are uncited text such as the entire section on Geography. Unless you have reliable sources backing up, I do not find a valid reason for you to restore them into the article.
Your claim of me doing away with the original sources in the article is unfounded. I have preserved all the properly cited sections with the respective resources. Unless you can quote those "dozen scholarly sources", this is nothing but speculation.
I do agree that certain sections depend heavily on tertiary sources. If you have specific objections to certain sections that were added on, I will be happy to discuss in detail and work on finding relevant secondary sources.

So instead of coming after multiple months and simply undoing a wholesale revert of all the intermediate edits to an already problematic version, it would be in the good if you can discuss first as you had preached. M² (talk) 06:34, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

@Fowler&fowler, You are consistently reverting edits without explaining any of the points. You seem to be hell bent on keeping the old version. I have extensively added information and added citations as most of the sections does not have proper citations. If it helps, I will start going section by section with the summary. Request you to engage in a conversation rather than doing blind reverts which are not helpful. M² (talk) 15:39, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

Please read my post on Talk:Himalayas. Your edits are much worse than I had hitherto thought. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 15:54, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

Mandell Creighton

I note the comment on your user page, and hope all is as well as it can be with you.

I have put Bishop Creighton up for FAC, and you are, of course, welcome to take part in the discussion on the FAC page, but if not I'm entirely happy to see him through - I hope - on my own. Very best wishes, TR. Tim riley talk 17:49, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

Thank you very much, Tim, both for the wishes and for doing this. Much as I'd like to, I doubt I'll be able to take part in the discussion. It is a difficult time right now, a somber business. I'll leave a brief note at FAC. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 19:06, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

Also, Tim, I wanted to say that nothing I wrote in MC, some of it a very long time ago, is sacrosanct, unamenable to change. If you or someone else at FAC you feel can improve what I had written (the coherence, cohesion, idiom, style, or what have you), please feel free to change it. We want everything that will make MC a first-rate FA. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 18:23, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for that, and I'll tinker as needed. All the same, I'd be happier keeping as much of your original material as I can. Best wishes, Tim riley talk 18:25, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

A warning?

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note:

Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Azuredivay (talk) 14:08, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

Please don't facetiously template longstanding competent editors. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 14:12, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

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Bishop Creighton

Promoted to Featured Article just now. I send you my warmest congratulations and my equally warm thanks for your encouragement. I also send my best wishes for your real-life concerns. Yours most truly, Tim. talk 22:56, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

Thank you Tim! As I say on your talk page, you were the without which not. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 03:29, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Promotion of Mandell Creighton

Congratulations, Fowler&fowler! The article you nominated, Mandell Creighton, has been promoted to featured status, recognizing it as one of the best articles on Wikipedia. The nomination discussion has been archived.

This is a rare accomplishment and you should be proud. If you would like, you may nominate it to appear on the Main page as Today's featured article. Keep up the great work! Cheers, Gog the Mild (talk) via FACBot (talk) 00:06, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Thank you Gog! Fowler&fowler «Talk» 03:30, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

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Re: Astropulse

Best not to keep an eye on the editor's edits at the moment, especially to pages that have a ton of other page-watchers who can dispute their edits if needed, just so that the editor is not left with a misapprehension that the push-back and reverts are personal. Abecedare (talk) 04:33, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

Very eloquent and very wise. My thanks and admiration. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 05:13, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

benares state

u stupid mf, all the pics i have posted are all authentic don't fcking remove it. RyanRai11 (talk) 14:47, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Comment: Anupam, RegentsPark, Abecedare. Could you please seek some redress for this latest turn in the POV-promotion on Benares State? Thanks. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 15:00, 26 March 2025 (UTC)
I blocked them from Benares State but hadn't seen the delightful comment above. Will change the block. If you can, remind me to reinstate the page block after the site block expires. RegentsPark (comment) 15:22, 26 March 2025 (UTC)
Will do. I'm amazed at how quickly American gutter language has made its way around the world. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 15:29, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

"using ancient DNA techniques"

Techniques developed by the Sarasvati civilisation? ;) Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 16:04, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Good catch. :) Please correct. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 16:29, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

28 March

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Advice needed

Man from satrapy of "Hindush" (Indus) is being displayed in "history of India" article as "Indian warrior" under "Magadha Section" I stopped editing after talking to you a while back because you seem much more experienced in wiki editing than me, so now I came here to ask this, should I/you go and remove that image wrongfully claiming man from Indus as "indian warrior" while talking about eastern india (Magadha)? Qaiser-i-Mashriq (talk) 20:33, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

I defer to user:Joshua Jonathan on this. They will give you wise advice. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 21:21, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

thanks! [Also apologies for being so cringe before, I was in my young editor days (still am)] Qaiser-i-Mashriq (talk) 21:26, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

No worries. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 21:29, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Varanasi

This isn't the longstanding version. As you can see [2]. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:00, 8 April 2025 (UTC)