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@Dhtwiki Thank you so much for your time! Have a great week =) Phoebezz22 (talk) 16:01, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Zemstvo

The Copyeditor's Barnstar
I cannot believe my eyes how much you have improved Zemstvo. I spent so much time reading that content and I could never have improved it as you have. I hope you continue to add to it and I am thankful for your contributions thus far. Czarking0 (talk) 16:30, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
Glad to be of help. Thank you for the barnstar. Dhtwiki (talk) 23:54, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

January drive bling

Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Total Words, 5th Place
This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Dhtwiki for copyediting 26,096 total words during the GOCE January 2025 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 20:42, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Long Articles, 5th Place
This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Dhtwiki for copyediting 3 long articles during the GOCE January 2025 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 20:42, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Old Articles, 5th Place
This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Dhtwiki for copyediting 3 old articles during the GOCE January 2025 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 20:42, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
The (modern) Guild of Copy Editors Barnstar
This barnstar is awarded to Dhtwiki for copy edits totaling over 40,000 words (including bonus and rollover words) during the GOCE January 2025 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 20:42, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

Pob3qu3

(Responding here to help keep the WOT down on the NORN board)

It is quite an astonishing revelation what you said over at NORN considering the interactions I've had with them, not to mention a look at their talk page, does not seem to suggest someone who knows how to be reasonable. Especially considering that of the 10 SPI reports they filed, only 3 (of the users they reported) have been confirmed as socks, that is a very poor SPI-radar and hence bad faith that they present those they disagree with as socks. In this case, it was so obvious to the SPI closer, that not only did they close with a statement regarding This is an abuse of process[1] but they further took to bring it up on their talk page top admonish them, which is quite rare.[2] This is the third time they've been called out for filing SPIs improperly during a dispute.

Regarding "nobody involved agrees with you", let me be clear on the reason for that statement -- they have, at various venues, on multiple instances, asserted that Moxy, Grayfell and/or myself agree with them. This is why such a blunt assertion was required. It's not that that they couldn't possibly be correct in this matter, but rather "nobody INVOLVED in this discussion has ever agreed their White Mexicans calculations".

Regarding WP:BANNING -- you will be extremely hard-pressed to support that bold claim. I am pretty sure what you'll find is the following statements from me:

  • I would support an escalation to the appropriate noticeboard[3]; and
  • an administrator or clerk review and handle as appropriate[4]

Where in there suggests I support such a strong sanction as banning, or any sanction whatsoever, other than an admin should become involved in this dispute?

While I believe you are well-meaning, I feel like you are very much uninformed on the specific infractions by this editor. When someone makes false claims about your positions within discussions boards, hijacks conversations with administrators which didn't mention them, files a false SPI report (with a history of bad SPI reporting), continues to introduce contentious information into article mainspace during an ongoing noticeboard discussion on that specific piece of information -- and all the while not calling for any specific sanction or ban... I don't think my response is anywhere as egregious as you claim. I would challenge you to review their SPI report to my ANI report and see who is being more reasonable, presuming good faith and following policy. TiggerJay (talk) 00:42, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

February blitz bling

The Cleanup Barnstar
This barnstar is awarded to Dhtwiki for copy edits totaling over 6,000 words (including rollover words) during the GOCE February 2025 Copy Editing Blitz. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 18:18, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

Guild of Copy Editors 2024 Annual Report

Guild of Copy Editors Annual Report
Our 2024 Annual Report is now ready for review.

Highlights:

  • Introduction
  • Membership news and election results
  • Summary of Drives, Blitzes and the Requests page
  • Closing words
– Your Guild coordinators
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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 06:36, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

Emergency on the page to join the Guild

@Dhtwiki, this is Augnablik with a very weird problem. I tried to join the Guild today, following the directions carefully, but despite many tries — after which I tried to delete what had been appearing for me, which I could never get to be correct — I've now thrown off the way the table should look so that the information for the editor who last joined now appears out of place.

I'm going to post this message to one other Guild editor too so that someone can get on this without further delay. Then I'll follow up here with a 2nd message to explain what was going on for me, as well as what I was trying to post. Augnablik (talk) 08:27, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

Here is what was going on for at least a half hour, perhaps longer.
First of all, trying to insert the coding and my personal information was inordinately slow. Once I finally got everything to look the way I wanted it to in the Source editor, the next strange thing was that in the top row of my entry, it kept saying User:Augnablik instead of just Augnablik. I checked to make sure the coding was correctly done, and saw that it was ... but when I checked in the Visual editor after I'd made the entry, it still displayed User:Augnablik. Then I tried copying the same coding from another editor's entry and replaced that name with mine in the two correct places. Still, it kept displayinging User:Augnablik.
Here's another strange thing. Even though I replaced what I'd earlier typed in the COMMENT row, what was displayed in the Visual editor was what I'd typed earlier, not the replacement text. This went on several times.
At that point, I decided to simply delete my entire entry. But when I did so, that's what screwed up the row with the name of the editor who'd been at the top of the list when I started to add my own information. I just couldn't fix it. Which is when I wrote you and the next coordinator at the top of the list of your team.
Perhaps I'd better ask you or IQR, the other editor I contacted about this, to try to add me rather than my trying to do it again, in case the gremlins playing around with that page decide to to re-emerge from the woodwork. Here's what I was trying to insert:
|-
| Augnablik
| 3 March 2025
| A magnet for problematic grammar, punctuation, spelling, clarity, and flow. 🧲
|- Augnablik (talk) 08:56, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
Hello Augnablik. You seemed to successfully join here but then deleted your properly formatted entry. I do not see that you couldn't just revert your last edit. Dhtwiki (talk) 13:23, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
@Dhtwiki, I also thought I'd done everything correctly, but when I kept seeing my incorrectly appearing name time after time, I definitely thought to delete it and get help. But when THAT brought about the completely screwed up alignment of User JustSomeoneNo's row, I figured I'd better contact the Guild leadership!
From your message, though, I'm wondering what you see on your screen on the page with the list of participants. Augnablik (talk) 13:43, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
You removed the initial |- from the following entry. It was malformed on my page; I just didn't notice it before. I've fixed that. Dhtwiki (talk) 13:56, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
I see you fixed the issue with the other editor's row. Sorry about the pipe issue—I thought I had all the coding copied right.
Okay, now let me try to add back my information and see if it incorrectly does what was doing earlier in my User Name cell. Augnablik (talk) 14:01, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
I thought that finally, I succeeded. When I previewed my entry, the Visual editor displayed exactly what I expected, based on my coding entries in the Source editor.
But when I published what I'd done, NOTHING appeared at all. This is different from what was happening earlier, when I succeeded in at least getting a row for me, just not quite correct entries. I can't understand what's going on.
And really, the time it takes to type everything is unbelievably slow. I checked the time lag of what I was entering just now and it took 10 to 15 seconds for just a few words in a phrase to be displayed once I typed them. I think you might want to look into this for the benefit of others who might want to join the Guild. If the problem is just at my end, I've never found the issue anywhere else on Wikipedia.
Augnablik (talk) 14:31, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
I have gone ahead and added your name at the participants' list. See how than looks/renders/transmits. Dhtwiki (talk) 14:39, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
Not quite okay. An earlier problem I faced has re-emerged in the 3rd cell.
What I see there is the next-to-last version of my wording, not what I tried to get into my final version — which was also what I wrote in my 2nd message to you in this conversation.
Gremlins again ... Augnablik (talk) 14:55, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
What I see looks fine, including the emoji, which I thought might be causing problems. From what I can see, you have a proper entry at the participants' page. However, I can't answer for what might be happening on your end. Dhtwiki (talk) 15:02, 3 March 2025 (UTC) (edited 15:40, 3 March 2025 (UTC))
So, then, (1) you entered what I wrote in my 2nd message but (2) an earlier version of cell 3 in my row is displayed at my end, and yet (3) what you see in that cell is what you entered from my 2nd message …
This is REALLY weird, Augnablik (talk) 15:27, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
@Dhtwiki, at last I was able to make the changes that I'd wanted, but in the process found something very interesting. It was only on my computer where the slowdown occurred in trying to get myself registered as a GOCE member, not my mobile phone.
I'll tell IQR the good news so he or she won't duplicate your assistance to me on this issue. Augnablik (talk) 16:13, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
I'm glad to hear that you are narrowing the possibilities of what is wrong. Dhtwiki (talk) 16:45, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
Even if the trouble occurs only on my computer, the GOCE site is the only one on Wikipedia that I've ever run into these specific problems. So there is some sort of interaction going on with the site. If only we could catch one of the gremlins and make him confess...Augnablik (talk) 19:49, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

GOCE article gremlin activity

@Dhtwiki, I hope I won't wear out my welcome as a GOCE member for only two days, but I need to mention that — as often happens to us copy editor types when we read an article simply for information and come to notice a few little gremlins — I found a few things in a GOCE article today <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AWikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors%2FBacklog_elimination_drives%2FMarch_2025&action=edit&wvprov=sticky-header>.

Most of what I found was minor, like formatting inconsistency of initial capitalization (Request page vs. talk page and main drive page). But there is a code issue at one place in the article to which I'd like to call someone's attention. I'm not sure if it was there before I worked on the article or if I deleted a character in the code, for to be honest that happened a few times as I edited. When I noticed what had happened, though, I went back and re-checked the whole article in both the Source and Visual editors, and it looked to me that everything was fine except in this one sentence: "If you have any questions, leave a message on the drive's Talk page" — right above the "Full instructions, tips, and awards" section. Talk page is in red. I just can't find the problem when I look at the code. I hope all the other small gremlins I got rid of for you will outweigh this one, if I'm the culprit.

By the way, Dhtwiki, is there a place to ask for specific help within GOCE, as contrasted to the more general Teahouse, Help Desk, and Village Pump? Augnablik (talk) 16:29, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

@Augnablik: Any talk page (any page, for that matter, where there is a pointer to an empty page) will show red until someone actually posts to that page. This particular drive is young, but we might go the whole drive with its talk page being a red link. You could post to the coordinators' talk page for an educated response to any deep problems, as you don't have to be a coordinator to post there. Dhtwiki (talk) 00:14, 5 March 2025 (UTC)
Thanks, Dhtwiki. I didn't realize there could be pages that showed red if they'd been created and had a link leading to them, in contrast to pages that had been created but had no links. Augnablik (talk) 01:50, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

March drive bling

Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Long Articles, 4th Place
This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Dhtwiki for copyediting 1 long article during the GOCE March 2025 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 20:35, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Old Articles, 4th Place
This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Dhtwiki for copyediting 8 old articles during the GOCE March 2025 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 20:35, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
The (old school) League of Copy Editors Barnstar
This barnstar is awarded to Dhtwiki for copy edits totaling over 30,000 words (including bonus and rollover words) during the GOCE March 2025 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 20:35, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

Guild of Copy Editors April 2025 Newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors April 2025 Newsletter

Hello and welcome to the April 2025 newsletter, a quarterly digest of Guild activities since December. Don't forget you can unsubscribe at any time; see below. We extend a warm welcome to all of our new members. We wish you all happy copy-editing.

Election results: In our December 2025 coordinator election, Wracking stepped down as coordinator; we thank them for their service. Incumbents Dhtwiki, Miniapolis, and Mox Eden were reelected coordinators, and IQR and WikiEditor5678910 were newly elected coordinator, to serve through 30 June. Nominations for our mid-year Election of Coordinators will open on 1 June (UTC).

Drive: 55 editors signed up for our January Backlog Elimination Drive 33 claimed at least one copy-edit and copy-edited 611,404 words in 237 articles. Barnstars awarded are here.

Blitz: 14 editors signed up for our February Copy Editing Blitz. 10 claimed at least one copy-edit and copy-edited 46,749 words in 18 articles. Barnstars awarded are here.

Drive: 47 editors signed up for our March Backlog Elimination Drive. 28 claimed at least one copy-edit and copy-edited 479,172 words in 207 articles. Barnstars awarded are here.

Blitz: Sign up for our April Copy Editing Blitz, which runs from 13 to 19 April. Barnstars will be awarded here.

Progress report: As of 9:45, 12 April 2024 (UTC), GOCE copyeditors have processed 89 requests since 1 January 2024, and the backlog stands at 2,264 articles.

Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators Dhtwiki, IQR, Miniapolis, Mox Eden and WikiEditor5678910.

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MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 22:53, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!

Happy First Edit Day!

Happy First Edit Day!

Happy First Edit Day!

Have a very happy first edit anniversary!

From the Birthday Committee, RPE ✍️ 📚 05:54, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

April blitz bling

The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar
This barnstar is awarded to Dhtwiki for copy edits totaling over 4,000 words (including rollover words) during the GOCE April 2025 Copy Editing Blitz. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 13:19, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious
Seven years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:31, 24 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi, can you help add Oben Electric in relevant Wikipedia articles?

Hi, my name's Atul. I work as Deputy Marketing Manager at Oben Electric. I noticed that Oben Electric is nowhere mentioned in the Wikipedia. We are based out of Bangalore and our stores are located more than 30 cities in India. But still, we are nowhere in Wikipedia while our competitors like Ola Electric & Ather have a lot of mentions. I saw that you have written a lot of articles on Wikipedia, by any chance would you be open to helping us?

Thanks, Atul 49.249.95.222 (talk) 11:35, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

I see that both Ola Electric and Ather Energy (if that is the company you mean) have Wikipedia articles, and that is due to their being mentioned by independent journalists and scholars, as the articles' references sections attest. If you can point to similar coverage of your company, you shouldn't have trouble establishing its notability and its having a Wikipedia article. I have not started that many articles myself and have little expertise in your field. You yourself should announce your possible conflict of interest, before starting such an article on your own (you should also think about getting an account here, so you can edit as other than as an IP address). See pages such as Wikipedia:Requested articles and Wikipedia:Articles for creation for pointers how how to begin articles here. Dhtwiki (talk) 06:09, 26 April 2025 (UTC) (edited 22:04, 28 April 2025 (UTC))
Thank You! 49.249.95.222 (talk) 11:10, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

Barnstar

The Guild of Copy Editors' Award
The Guild of Copy Editors' Gold Star Award is given to members as well as non-members of the Guild of Copy Editors, in recognition of exceptional work done in the area of copy editing.
For your excellent work copyediting. Cactus🌵 spiky ouch 08:36, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi

Hi. I just wanna ask if this reads fine (If not I am wondering if you can copy edit it) "Despite writing that the shape contributes to its popularity, Abel finds this insufficient to explain the universality of the emoji's popularity. Instead, he proposes that people use the emoji as a way to engage with the act of defecation, evidencing this with the fact that toilets are frequently where phones are used. Abel takes this fact as an opportunity to engage in social commentary. First, he notes that because phones are frequently used on toilets, some evidence suggests that they are often contaminated with fecal matter and harmful bacteria, permitting "poo on phones" to have a dual meaning of physical feces and the poop emoji. From this, he suggests that the poop emoji may be popular as it simultaneously signifies media being consumed (phone use on the toilet) as it signifies the harms of its consumption (seen through the fecal contamination resultant from phone use)". Many thanks. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 10:16, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

The "shape" is a "swirling" one, according to the previous paragraph at the article; and that attribute might be brought down. Although fairly grammatical, other parts need further explication. "Engage with the act of defecation", but how? And phones are not especially used in the bathroom. The famously fastidious Japanese allow their phones to "often" become fecally contaminated (since Abel is a Japanese scholar)? That deserves further explanation. The rest of the paragraph has too much vague analysis or speculation. If it's more specific in the paper that's being summarized, more of that specificity belongs in the article. Dhtwiki (talk) 06:47, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
Thanks Dhtwiki for the response. I wrote the section and have clarified the act of defecation portion a bit. If it's okay, I'm just going to paste the relevant text below, it's pretty short:
As you can see, it indeed seems to be Abel's contention that phones are especially used in bathrooms, that this extends to the Japanese (he only affords "globally", not permitting further explanation).
Frankly, I believe Abel's argument is that everyone uses their phones on the toilet, we all know on some level we're contaminating it or that it's otherwise something we shouldn't be doing, and by using the poop emoji we are trying to navigate the internal dissonance in some way. I don't feel comfortable rendering it like that without outside confirmation that my reading is accurate.
Rollinginhisgrave (talk | contributions) 11:18, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Congratulations!

GoldRomean nominated you for the GOCE Hall of Fame, which is well deserved and long overdue; I thought you were in there already! Your election is unanimous among the guild's warm bodies (past and present), so congratulations! All the best, Miniapolis 17:56, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

Thank you, all. I was aware of the nomination, which I decided not to contest, and, so, of the others involved (User:Mox Eden, User:Jonesey95). I wasn't aware of the page just linked to. It looks quite grand. However, I couldn't tell which was my statue. Dhtwiki (talk) 23:07, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
Your statue is the best-looking one. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:24, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
Congrats! Long due and well-deserved. (And ah, probably should've made the nom through email instead of via an admin's talk page... but whatever.) GoldRomean (talk) 00:23, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

May drive bling

Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Total Words, 3rd Place
This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Dhtwiki for copyediting 35,160 total words during the GOCE May 2025 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 18:59, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Long Articles, 3rd Place
This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Dhtwiki for copyediting 2 long articles during the GOCE May 2025 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 18:59, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Old Articles, 3rd Place
This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Dhtwiki for copyediting 11 old articles during the GOCE May 2025 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 18:59, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
The (modern) Guild of Copy Editors Barnstar
This barnstar is awarded to Dhtwiki for copy edits totaling over 40,000 words (including bonus and rollover words) during the GOCE May 2025 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 18:59, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

Revert of my edit to WP:GOCE

I noticed that you reverted my edit on WP:GOCE. I'll try not to do that in the future, and thanks for explaining in the edit summary. Tactical Falcon (talk) 01:33, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

June blitz bling

The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar
This barnstar is awarded to Dhtwiki for copy edits totaling over 4,000 words (including rollover words) during the GOCE June 2025 Copy Editing Blitz. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 21:30, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

Drive information suggestion

Hi, Dhtwiki ... I was just rummaging around at the main GOCE page and when I dragged my cursor over the Current or next blitz section of the tabs, I noticed that the information was still showing for May rather than for July:

"This Copy Editing Backlog Elimination Drive was a one-month-long effort of the Guild of Copy Editors to reduce the backlog of articles that require copy editing: those carrying the tag (also , , , , and their redirects) and those listed on the GOCE Requests page. It began on 1 May 2025, 00:00 (UTC) and ended on 31 May 2025, 23:59 (UTC)." Augnablik (talk) 05:19, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

Yes, I have to update things. Thank you for the notice. Dhtwiki (talk) 22:12, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

Guild of Copy Editors' June 2025 Newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors June 2025 Newsletter

Hello and welcome to the June 2025 newsletter, a quarterly-ish digest of Guild activities since April. Don't forget you can unsubscribe at any time; see below.

Hall of Fame: Congratulations to Dhtwiki for their well-deserved addition to the Hall of Fame last month, and thanks to GoldRomean for the nomination.

Election news: Voting in the mid-year coordinator election ends at 23:59 on 30 June. Results will be announced at the election page.

April Blitz: 14 of the 25 editors who signed up for the April 2025 Copy Editing Blitz copy edited 92,769 words in 30 articles. Barnstars awarded are available here.

May Drive: 31 of the 54 editors who signed up for the May 2025 Backlog Elimination Drive copy edited 384,392 words in 216 articles. Barnstars awarded are here.

June Blitz: 10 of the 12 editors who signed up for the June 2025 Copy Editing Blitz copy edited 26,652 words in 13 articles. Barnstars awarded are here.

July Drive: Our July 2025 Backlog Elimination Drive will begin on 1 July and finish on 31 July. Barnstars awarded will be posted here.

Progress report: As of 02:30, 30 June 2025 (UTC), GOCE copyeditors have completed 148 requests since 1 January, and the backlog stands at 2,270 articles.

Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators.

To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list.

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 23:18, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

Election results

Hi, I just wanted to let you know that I closed the recent lead coordinator/coordinator election. The results have been announced, thanks. Cactus🌵 spiky ouch 09:08, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

Leaderboard question

@Dhtwiki, although I submitted the information about my two completed articles on July 31 before midnight GMT, I'm surprised that the leaderboard doesn't reflect the addition of the article I edited with the higher amount of words (21932). Just curious ... Augnablik (talk) 09:07, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

@Augnablik: Having an entry on the leaderboard is usually done by editors themselves putting up the relevant numbers. It is not done automatically. I am aware of your longest article, which should get you at least a couple of leaderboard barnstars (longest- and 5k article), and will make the entries myself if necessary. Dhtwiki (talk) 22:28, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
Thank you, Dhtwiki. I wasn't aware the leaderboard wasn't automatic. It felt awkward to ask that question, but it did seem the right thing to do in case (as I saw it) the board might have suffered the equivalent of a short circuit or something. Augnablik (talk) 00:34, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
I made the changes to the leaderboard. But in May, someone else must have taken my article information and posted it, as I didn't do it myself, not yet even knowing that was expected.
Now, another question, related to the Oldest Article category: how does anyone know exactly how old his or her articles are? I assume that's calculated by the day and not just the month it was submitted to GOCE, right? Augnablik (talk) 10:36, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
You get credit for four 5k articles when you do an article of more than 20k words. The edit where someone placed an article's copy edit tag is on the article history page, although sometimes, especially when edit is absent a good sommary, you have to do so searching (there is always the "Find addition/removal" link at the top of the page, which can prove useful). Dhtwiki (talk) 08:11, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
I was supposed to put myself down as editing four 5k articles rather than just one? Good heavens, how are newbie GOCE editors supposed to know that, as well as that they are the ones who put themselves on the leaderboard? (unless I missed those directions …)
Augnablik (talk) 08:33, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
See footnote #2 below the leaderboard: "Number of articles of 5,000 words or more. An article of 10K+ words counts as 2, of 15K+ as 3, and so on." Dhtwiki (talk) 08:36, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
Oh, okay, sorry. I would, however, have expected that information included with all the other basic directions.
I still don't think I understand, though, about Oldest Article dating, which seems to be what you were addressing in the second sentence of your reply to me on the 4th at 08:11. I thought the term Oldest Article referred to how far back the request had come to GOCE for copy editing. But from your reply, it sounds as if it's when an editor places a copy edit tag on an article.
If so, it sounds as if we'd have to check the dates of everyone on the leaderboard, not just our own, to know if we qualified for one of the 5 places in each category.
And just by way of a caution about looking for an article's copy edit tag: from my own experience with both articles I submitted in this drive, that JL bot "got" me twice again after I first found out about what had first seemed possible vandalism, and removed the tag. This shows me that if we have to look at others' articles to find out when they started, we must remember to look a little further down for a possible earlier tag than when we first see one, in case the editor might have had to add another such tag later than when he or she first began working on the article.
Augnablik (talk) 09:05, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
Oldest articles aren't submitted to us. We take it upon ourselves to work on those articles with the copy edit tag, as well as a few others, unlike the requests page, where editors are actually asking for our help. Sometimes dates and word counts are checked, especially where there are discrepancies between the leaderboard and individual entries, as I am doing now, before barnstars are calculated; but for the most part these things are taken on good faith. Yes, it helps to inspect the history page for JL-bot to be at work or for others' working on the same article, if only to not have conflict with other copy editors (non-copy-editors may well get involved editing while the inuse template is up, but that would not lead to a clash over claiming credit for one of our drives or blitzes). Dhtwiki (talk) 09:40, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
Here's what I'd like to suggest, Dhtwiki, to avoid taking more of your time to clarify calculating Oldest Articles for the leaderboard just for me:
— Could you, or someone you appoint, write and post in the directions for everyone exactly what steps to take to calculate our Oldest Article totals?
— And close to these steps, could there be a brief disambiguation between (1) the Oldest Articles category on the leaderboard and (2) the articles we're supposed to mark O* on our list of completed articles to indicate they're Oldest Articles? (assuming I'm correct in making this distinction, but from what I understand at this point, there really seems to be one) Augnablik (talk) 12:34, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

July GOCE drive

Thanks for the barnstars, and especially, for managing the drive. Nice job! Littenberg (talk) 00:28, 7 August 2025 (UTC)

You are welcome. Dhtwiki (talk) 00:31, 7 August 2025 (UTC)
The Barnstar of Diligence
This barnstar is awarded to Dhtwiki for copy edits totaling over 60,000 words (including bonus and rollover words) during the GOCE July 2025 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:35, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Total Articles, 3rd Place
This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Dhtwiki for copyediting 11 articles during the GOCE July 2025 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:35, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Total Words, 5th Place
This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Dhtwiki for copyediting 36,864 total words during the GOCE July 2025 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:35, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Long Articles, 3rd Place
This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Dhtwiki for copyediting three long articles during the GOCE July 2025 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:35, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Old Articles, 2nd Place
This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Dhtwiki for copyediting 11 old articles during the GOCE July 2025 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:35, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Longest Article, 2nd Place
This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Dhtwiki for copyediting one of the five longest articles – 12,944 words – during the GOCE July 2025 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:35, 10 August 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for giving out the barnstars! – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:35, 10 August 2025 (UTC)

Time discrepancy

@Dhtwiki, I just went back to the "Women in Music" History page to see if anyone else had worked on the article since the July drive ended, and to my shock found that some of the edits I was doing the night of July 31 appeared as posted in the wee hours of August 1. Although I'd re-checked my time differential with GMT in advance to be sure when it would be midnight UTC in my time zone, and was confident I was finishing the c/e of the article within the allotted time limit, nine of my edits are shown as posted past midnight. The drive is over, of course, but I thought I should mention in case it might look as if I had taken undue liberty.

I'm posting this message here on your Talk page because on the Coordinators' page where we post questions and such, there's a message about the August blitz drive and I didn't want this topic to throw off the sequence. Augnablik (talk) 16:10, 15 August 2025 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) GMT is not the same as UTC. I recommend going to Preferences > Gadgets > Appearance and enabling "Add a clock to the personal toolbar". – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:15, 15 August 2025 (UTC)
Oh, my, @Jonesey95! I didn't know that till I just checked on what you'd said, and found that GMT is measured from midday but UTC from midnight. That was an eye-opener. At any rate, I did want to own up to the unanticipated overrun. Augnablik (talk) 17:41, 15 August 2025 (UTC)
GMT is the same as UTC, the former often designating a start at midnight (if there is a noon start, how does it relate to the civil date?). I always wait a day, at least, before starting to calculate barnstars, although that's to accommodate people late with posting results completed on time. However, if people have to make a few late edits, well, that's usually allowable, especially if it's inadvertent and if the editor is as conscientious with their editing as you seem to be.
This topic probably is better posted at a GOCE newsgroup, especially if the topic will generate information helpful to others. You could have started this topic as a subsection to a section relevant to the July drive, or, alternatively, place it on the drive-specific talk page, rather than the coordinators' talk page. Dhtwiki (talk) 05:04, 16 August 2025 (UTC)
To me, it seems my original message was better directed just to you coordinators and just in regard to this particular drive. But now with Jonesey95's clarification about GMT and UTC, I'd be happy to write a new message about that for other GOCE editors. If you tell me where to find GOCE newsgroups, I'll do that. Augnablik (talk) 06:11, 16 August 2025 (UTC)
It's fine here. If necessary, it can be copied to another group, but I don't think that's necessary. The distinction between GMT and UTC is certainly a fine one and doesn't need discussion amongst copy editors at this point, as it is just of matter of remembering when UTC midnight, which changes with daylight saving time, is in one's time zone. Dhtwiki (talk) 06:26, 16 August 2025 (UTC)
The only reason I asked about GOCE news groups is when you said the time differential topic" is probably better posted at a GOCE news group, especially if the topic will generate information helpful to others." If it's unlikely to be helpful, then no need to bring it up at all.
Frankly, it wouldn't have been of importance to me either, except that if I'd been aware of it during this particular drive I'd have calculated the time differential more accurately. And I may never again be working on a drive on the last day. Besides, after hearing that you extend the time a little beyond the deadline anyway, an extra few hours may not even matter anyway.
So, let's put "30" on this topic. 🤗 Augnablik (talk) 07:03, 16 August 2025 (UTC)
Dhtwiki is right that GMT is basically the same as UTC, but saying "GMT" is imprecise, as people sometimes use it to mean "the time in the UK", which can be UTC+1 during summer time. It's better to just say "UTC" when you mean UTC, and to use the gadget to figure out the UTC time. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:48, 16 August 2025 (UTC)

August GOCE Blitz

Hi - Thanks for the totals! If some points should not be used for August, should my total this month be adjusted to 9,080, hence a Cleanup barnstar? - Pac Veten Pac Veten (talk) 00:06, 26 August 2025 (UTC)

I haven't yet entered the totals for this blitz. The total you see at the barnstar page, 8767, is from June. 8869 + 313 = 9182 should be your total for this blitz. Dhtwiki (talk) 00:36, 26 August 2025 (UTC)

August blitz bling

The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
This barnstar is awarded to Dhtwiki for copy edits totaling over 10,000 words (including rollover words) during the GOCE August 2025 Copy Editing Blitz. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 19:13, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

Preferred place for GOCE drive questions & comments

@Dhtwiki, I'd just like to be sure where we're supposed to write questions and comments about GOCE drive work. When I was a drive newbie some months ago, I remember being told it was at the Coordinators page; but Mark Gould raised a question on the September Backlog Drive Talk page about the double editing issue of the Judy Garland article, and that location certainly makes sense.

I'm writing you about this here rather than on the same page where Mark asked the question because it's a more private area. Augnablik (talk) 11:20, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

@Augnablik:: The September 2025 drive's talk page is an appropriate place to discuss the double editing that happened, since the scoring is peculiar to that drive. I would not suggest that the coordinators' talk page would be appropriate. Can you point to the discussion where that suggestion was made? The double editing of the Garland page underscores the importance of placing a {{Working}} template on the requests page when one first starts working on an article, and that discussion would be appropriate to the requests talk page. Dhtwiki (talk) 00:20, 19 September 2025 (UTC)
It's been so many months ago now since I asked where to post questions and comments, Dhtwiki, that I'd have to go back in my History page trying to locate the exact message. Frankly, I thought it was from you — as I'd probably have started at the top to try to find the answer.
It definitely seemed a bit odd to me at the time that questions and comments should be posted at what would seem like a page just for coordinators; but not hearing otherwise, I kept on doing so. If I should have been posting elsewhere, though, why was I allowed to post all those messages at the Coordinators page for not just one but several backlog drives? 😂
Now I need to check on one more related detail with you, as you said in your reply above that the double-editing discussion would be appropriate to the Talk page for Requests. But the initial post about that, made by Mark Gould, was done at the Talk page for Backlog elimination drives/September 2025. And when I checked yet another GOCE Talk page, I saw similar discussions going on there too. So, then, this would seem to mean that questions and comments can be made at ANY of the GOCE Talk pages.
Instead, wouldn't it be easier for you coordinators to create a sort of Teahouse/Help Desk just for GOCE-related discussions? Augnablik (talk) 06:13, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

Guild of Copy Editors – September 2025 Newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors – September 2025 Newsletter

Hello and welcome to the September newsletter, a quarterly digest of Guild activities since June.

Election news: Project coordinators play an important role in our WikiProject. Following the mid-year Election of Coordinators, we welcomed GoldRomean to the coordinator team. Dhtwiki remains as lead coordinator, and Miniapolis and Mox Eden return as coordinators. If you'd like to help out behind the scenes, please consider taking part in our December election – watchlist our ombox for updates. Information about the role of coordinators can be found here.

June 2025 blitz: 10 of the 12 editors who signed up for the June 2025 Copy Editing Blitz copy edited a total of 26,652 words comprising 13 articles. Barnstars awarded are here.

July 2025 drive: 30 of the 54 editors who signed up for the July 2025 Backlog Elimination Drive copy edited a total of 379,557 words comprising 151 articles. Barnstars awarded are here.

August 2025 Blitz: 11 of the 17 editors who signed up for the August 2025 Copy Editing Blitz copy edited a total of 65,601 words comprising 25 articles. Barnstars awarded are here.

September 2025 Drive: Sign up here to earn barnstars in our month-long, in-progress September Backlog Elimination Drive.

Progress report: As of 06:43, 20 September 2025 (UTC), GOCE copyeditors have processed 222 requests since 1 January, and the backlog of tagged articles stands at 2,010 articles.

Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we do without you! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators.

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