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The Bugle: Issue CLIV, February 2019

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WikiCup 2019 March newsletter

And so ends the first round of the competition. Everyone with a positive score moves on to Round 2. With 56 contestants qualifying, each group in Round 2 contains seven contestants, with the two leaders from each group due to qualify for Round 3 as well as the top sixteen remaining contestants.

Our top scorers in Round 1 were:

  • United States L293D, a WikiCup newcomer, led the field with ten good articles on submarines for a total of 357 points.
  • Adam Cuerden, a WikiCup veteran, came next with 274 points, mostly from eight featured pictures, restorations of artwork.
  • Denmark MPJ-DK, a wrestling enthusiast, was in third place with 263 points, garnered from a featured list, five good articles, two DYKs and four GARs.
  • United States Usernameunique came next at 243, with a featured article and a good article, both on ancient helmets.
  • Squeamish Ossifrage was in joint fifth place with 224 points, mostly garnered from bringing the 1937 Fox vault fire to featured article status.
  • Ohio Ed! was also on 224, with an amazing number of good article reviews (56 actually).

These contestants, like all the others, now have to start scoring points again from scratch. Between them, contestants completed reviews on 143 good articles, one hundred more than the number of good articles they claimed for, thus making a substantial dent in the review backlog. Well done all!

Remember that any content promoted after the end of Round 1 but before the start of Round 2 can be claimed in Round 2. Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Remember, if two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews.

If you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to keep down the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Godot13 (talk), Sturmvogel 66 (talk), Vanamonde (talk) and Cwmhiraeth (talk).

Category:Middle-earth horses has been nominated for discussion

Category:Middle-earth horses, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. --woodensuperman 13:26, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CLV, March 2019

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Congratulations from the Military History Project

 Military history reviewers' award 
On behalf of the Military History Project, I am proud to present the The Milhist reviewing award (1 stripe) for January to March 2019 reviews. Peacemaker67 (talk) via MilHistBot (talk) 00:35, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Keep track of upcoming reviews. Just copy and paste {{WPMILHIST Review alerts}} to your user space

The Bugle: Issue CLVI, April 2019

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Article rescue

Hello there! I saw that I was pinged on my volunteer account (user:lirazelf) in a talk page discussion about article rescue, you were maybe looking for contacts at the National Museum of Scotland or National Library of Scotland? Feel free to drop me a line on my work email - sara.thomas@wikimedia.org.uk, and I'll see what I can do to help :) Sara Thomas (WMUK) (talk) 12:38, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

The person who would be interested is User:Hideo Izumida. I will drop a note on their talk page in case they don't get the ping. Carcharoth (talk) 13:05, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

WikiCup 2019 May newsletter

The second round of the 2019 WikiCup has now finished. Contestants needed to scored 32 points to advance into round 3. Our top four scorers in round 2 all scored over 400 points and were:

  • Scotland Cas Liber (1210), our winner in 2016, with two featured articles and three DYKs. He also made good use of the bonus points available, more than doubling his score by choosing appropriate articles to work on.
  • Wales Kosack (750), last year's runner up, with an FA, a GA, two FLs, and five DYKs.
  • Adam Cuerden (480), a WikiCup veteran, with 16 featured pictures, mostly restorations.
  • Kingdom of Prussia Zwerg Nase (461), a seasoned competitor, with a FA, a GA and an ITN item.

Other notable performances were put in by Chicago Barkeep49 with six GAs, United States Ceranthor, England Lee Vilenski, and Saskatchewan Canada Hky, each with seven GARs, and Denmark MPJ-DK with a seven item GT.

So far contestants have achieved nine featured articles between them and a splendid 80 good articles. Commendably, 227 GARs have been completed during the course of the 2019 WikiCup, so the backlog of articles awaiting GA review has been reduced as a result of contestants' activities. The judges are pleased with the thorough GARs that are being performed, and have hardly had to reject any. As we enter the third round, remember that any content promoted after the end of round 2 but before the start of round 3 can be claimed in round 3. Remember too that you must claim your points within 14 days of "earning" them.

If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article nominations, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews Needed (remember to remove your listing when no longer required). Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Godot13 (talk), Sturmvogel 66 (talk), Vanamonde (talk) and Cwmhiraeth (talk) MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:45, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

ArbCom 2019 special circular

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The Arbitration Committee may require a new RfA if your account is compromised.

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This message was sent to all administrators following a recent motion. Thank you for your attention. For the Arbitration Committee, Cameron11598 02:27, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Administrator account security (Correction to Arbcom 2019 special circular)

ArbCom would like to apologise and correct our previous mass message in light of the response from the community.

Since November 2018, six administrator accounts have been compromised and temporarily desysopped. In an effort to help improve account security, our intention was to remind administrators of existing policies on account security — that they are required to "have strong passwords and follow appropriate personal security practices." We have updated our procedures to ensure that we enforce these policies more strictly in the future. The policies themselves have not changed. In particular, two-factor authentication remains an optional means of adding extra security to your account. The choice not to enable 2FA will not be considered when deciding to restore sysop privileges to administrator accounts that were compromised.

We are sorry for the wording of our previous message, which did not accurately convey this, and deeply regret the tone in which it was delivered.

For the Arbitration Committee, -Cameron11598 21:03, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CLVII, May 2019

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Your draft article, User:Carcharoth/Article incubator/List of British Army generals who died during World War I

Hello, Carcharoth. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Article incubator/List of British Army generals who died during World War I".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply edit the submission and remove the {{db-afc}}, {{db-draft}}, or {{db-g13}} code.

If your submission has already been deleted by the time you get there, and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion by following the instructions at this link. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. IRIEN✓ (aka MAh'ia)🙏 10:47, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

I've declined this. @Manupriy Ahluwalia: You shouldn't tag pages in the userspace of editors who are still active, especially not without discussing with them first. It might be more productive to focus your efforts in another direction. Newyorkbrad (talk) 11:14, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Role accounts at Arbcom

Newyorkbrad is a better Arbitration historian than me, but I certainly don't recall anyone naming a role account as a party to a case request before. Certainly it's a first for the WMF Office role account. As for awareness, that's probably something for the Clerks to investigate. Thryduulf (talk) 12:12, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CLVIII, June 2019

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Your ArbCom comment

Hi Carcharoth, saw you mentioned Clear summaries and timelines may help get a handle on what is going on here. I've got a summary at WP:FRAMSUM, and Seraphimblade's timeline is there as well. I hope mine is clear... starship.paint (talk) 14:41, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

@Starship.paint: thanks (and sorry for the late reply). I have seen that, and those summaries are very useful. Hopefully they will be maintained as things progress. Carcharoth (talk) 10:25, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Mohamed Morsi

On 18 June 2019, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Mohamed Morsi, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page.

Stephen 01:34, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Your list of diffs

It may look like I'm ignoring your list of diffs. It's only partially true but I've had a busy day. I have given your diffs some thought and struggled with them and finally had what I hope is an insight.

If we think of the classic journalistic questions:

  • What
  • when
  • where
  • why
  • who

We can see that the timeline put together by starship.paint is an attempt to get at the "when" issues. It's an attempt to identify a chronological order of important events but not to exhaustively cover every aspect of the situation.

My table is more of a "where" at with respect to the location of important blocks of text. (I know, I know, I have some exceptions)

Your list of diffs slices up the material in terms of "who". That is, identify some of the important players and find out what each of them said about the situation.

That's an extremely valuable exercise but it doesn't fit in well with table it's sort of orthogonal to it.

I'm not quite sure what to do next. I had sort of hoped someone would peel out all of the WMF statements and put them in one block which would conveniently fit in my table. I'm not so thrilled about doing that myself, partly because I'm lazy, partly because if I do that for the WMF, someone will suggest that I ought to do so for Dr. James the board member, and Jimbo the board member, and obviously Fram, and I'm worried about sliding down that slippery slope. Not because it's a bad to do, but because I have more things on my plate than I can manage and I can't take all that on.S Philbrick(Talk) 01:41, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

No problem. What it really needs is, ahem, the structured environment of an ArbCom case to sort through all the diffs... (no, not really). Carcharoth (talk) 12:16, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Interesting diffs

Hi Carcharoth. Here's where WMF unilaterally changed policy (turning Wikipedia into a police state). [1] What's telling is that there was no prior discussion with the community, and there was no announcement to WP:AN or similar noticeboard to draw attention. It was effectively a giant power grab, that sailed under the radar. Jehochman Talk 22:46, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Yeah. Interesting times. Carcharoth (talk) 23:49, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

WikiCup 2019 July newsletter

The third round of the 2019 WikiCup has now come to an end. The 16 users who made it to the fourth round needed to score at least 68 points, which is substantially lower than last year's 227 points. Our top scorers in round 3 were:

  • Norfolk Island Cas Liber, our winner in 2016, with 500 points derived mainly from a featured article and two GAs on natural history topics
  • South Carolina Adam Cuerden, with 480 points, a tally built on 16 featured pictures, the result of meticulous restoration work
  • Cascadia (independence movement) SounderBruce, a finalist in the last two years, with 306 points from a variety of submissions, mostly related to sport or the State of Washington
  • United States Usernameunique, with 305 points derived from a featured article and two GAs on archaeology and related topics

Contestants managed 4 (5) featured articles, 4 featured lists, 18 featured pictures, 29 good articles, 50 DYK entries, 9 ITN entries, and 39 good article reviews. As we enter the fourth round, remember that any content promoted after the end of round 3 but before the start of round 4 can be claimed in round 4. Please also remember that you must claim your points within 14 days of "earning" them, and it is imperative to claim them in the correct round; one FA claim had to be rejected because it was incorrectly submitted (claimed in Round 3 when it qualified for Round 2), so be warned! When doing GARs, please make sure that you check that all the GA criteria are fully met.

If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article nominations, a featured process, or anything else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews Needed (remember to remove your listing when no longer required). Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Godot13 (talk), Sturmvogel 66 (talk), Vanamonde (talk) and Cwmhiraeth (talk). MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 20:12, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

I have a question

Why is Fram banned while SNAAAAKE!! is still editing? [2] How did we get here? Jehochman Talk 13:09, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

Why exactly are you baiting me so? Whoever you are. SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 14:20, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

SNAAAAKE!!, I am sorry to disturb you but your case is an example of a widespread problem. I had been prepared to ban you yesterday, but was persuaded to be lenient by another editor who offered to mentor you. You've done nothing wrong today. Please keep up your efforts to reform, and I promise not to use you as an example again. I now realize it's not fair. Jehochman Talk 18:04, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
Pinging someone you're trying to dunk on seems like a pretty dick move. @Jehochman: - Bryn (talk) (contributions) 17:23, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
Did you look at that situation yet? Look before jumping to conclusions. Jehochman Talk 17:38, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
You think I'm just some rando? I've known SNAAAAKE!! and his behaviors for years and years and was an active participant in the discussion, which you would have seen if you hadn't been jumping to conclusions. The fact that SNAAAAKE!! has done things that I feel are banworthy does not mean that I condone trolling him. It's really disrespectful and unbecoming of what Wikipedia should be, yet rarely is. - Bryn (talk) (contributions) 17:43, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
Do you expect me to memorize all 50 usernames of the people who invested their time in that discussion, the most recent of many? I don’t know how to communicate my frustration about this without naming the editor. Since I’ve named them I should ping them. Jehochman Talk 17:52, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
I mean, maybe don't make assumptions, haha. But anyway, I honestly would like to get an admin in on this to chime in. I just think it's really tacky to troll someone, regardless of who it is. - Bryn (talk) (contributions) 17:56, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
This is the problem with Wikipedia. You are overlooking years and years of disruption and socking by one editor, and complaining about a ping. You're literally complaining that a ping is uncivil in the same comment where you call another editor a "dick". Claims of uncivil conduct and harassment are weaponized to win arguments. Jehochman Talk 18:01, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
I am calling for SNAAAAKE!! to be indefinitely banned and I am bothered by people who put his comfort on Wikipedia over the people he negatively affects. I am able to criticize him for this and you for this. Further, I didn't call you a dick, I said that pinging him is a dick move. Perhaps it would have been better if I said it was incredibly rude of you, but would that have really made it any better? I mean, what was your goal in pinging him, what did you want to happen from that? - Bryn (talk) (contributions) 18:08, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
I admit that pinging or mentioning him was a problem and I apologized to SNAAAAKE!! above. What I want to do is illustrate the selective nature of our enforcement. Here we have an editor with a mile long block log, multiple accounts, socks, claims of bad behavior of all sorts, and they get chance after chance after chance. And then there's a good faith contributor like Fram who maybe gets wound up, overzealous, and unintentionally treats somebody in a way that feels like harassment. Does Fram get support, counseling, a second chance? Fram seems to have gotten two warnings but no support for resolving his concerns that went to the integrity of encycopedia articles. There's also an issue that some are more equal than others. When ordinary rank and file editors are harassed, nobody really cares. But if a connected or powerful editor complains of harassment, WMF is ready to come down on the perpetrator like a ton of bricks. This is not fair. Jehochman Talk 18:22, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
I mean, I agree with that wholeheartedly. - Bryn (talk) (contributions) 18:25, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
I'm glad we came to agreement. For any other editor, the "F ArbCom" comment would warrant a 24 hour block at most, as a first block. Jehochman Talk 18:39, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Ross Perot

On 11 July 2019, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Ross Perot, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page.

DannyS712 (talk) 18:21, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

Noticed you weren't credited --DannyS712 (talk) 18:21, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CLIX, July 2019

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M. Angelo listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect M. Angelo. Since you had some involvement with the M. Angelo redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. — the Man in Question (in question) 21:04, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CLX, August 2019

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The Bugle: Issue CLX, August 2019

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Backlog Banzai

In the month of September, Wikiproject Military history is running a project-wide edit-a-thon, Backlog Banzai. There are heaps of different areas you can work on, for which you claim points, and at the end of the month all sorts of whiz-bang awards will be handed out. Every player wins a prize! There is even a bit of friendly competition built in for those that like that sort of thing. Sign up now at Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/September 2019 Backlog Banzai to take part. For the coordinators, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:18, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Wikiproject Military history coordinator election nominations open

Nominations for the upcoming project coordinator election are now open. A team of up to ten coordinators will be elected for the next year. The project coordinators are the designated points of contact for issues concerning the project, and are responsible for maintaining our internal structure and processes. They do not, however, have any authority over article content or editor conduct, or any other special powers. More information on being a coordinator is available here. If you are interested in running, please sign up here by 23:59 UTC on 14 September! Voting doesn't commence until 15 September. If you have any questions, you can contact any member of the coord team. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:37, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

WikiCup 2019 September newsletter

The fourth round of the competition has finished in a flurry of last minute activity, with 454 points being required to qualify for the final round. It was a hotly competitive round with two contestants with over 400 points being eliminated, and all but two of the finalists having achieved an FA during the round. Casliber, our 2016 winner, was the highest point-scorer, followed by Enwebb and Lee Vilenski, who are both new to the competition. In fourth place was SounderBruce, a finalist last year. But all those points are swept away as we start afresh for the final round.

Round 4 saw the achievement of 11 featured articles. In addition, Adam Cuerden scored with 18 FPs, Lee Vilenski led the GA score with 8 GAs while Kosack performed 15 GA reviews. There were around 40 DYKs, 40 GARs and 31 GAs overall during round 4. Even though contestants performed more GARs than they achieved GAs, there was still some frustration at the length of time taken to get articles reviewed.

As we start round 5, we say goodbye to the eight competitors who didn't quite make it; thank you for the useful contributions you have made to the Cup and Wikipedia, and we hope you will join us again next year. Remember that any content promoted after the end of round 4 but before the start of round 5 can be claimed in round 5. Remember too that you must claim your points within 14 days of "earning" them (some people have fallen foul of this rule and the points have been removed).

If you are concerned that your nomination, whether it be for a good article, a featured process, or anything else, will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews Needed (remember to remove your listing when no longer required). If you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to help keep down the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Godot13, Sturmvogel 66, Vanamonde and Cwmhiraeth MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 18:44, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Five days

It's now the fifth day and your last question here was never answered. This is the most unsatisfactory part of the case. At this point I think the only reasonable option is to unban Fram and simply remain silent on the desysop question. Let WP:BN sort it out, or else Fram can file an appeal, or others can file a proper case about Fram's sysop status. The present case is so thoroughly tainted by procedural irregularities that it should be wrapped up. Jehochman Talk 18:47, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Milhist coordinator election voting has commenced

G'day everyone, voting for the 2019 Wikiproject Military history coordinator tranche is now open. This is a simple approval vote; only "support" votes should be made. Project members should vote for any candidates they support by 23:59 (UTC) on 28 September 2018. Thanks, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:37, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CLXI, September 2019

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Category:Arctic geography terminology has been nominated for discussion

Category:Arctic geography terminology, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. DexDor (talk) 18:47, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

ARBCOM

I came in search of a "please run for Arb this year" - is there such a section where I can put my +1? — Ched (talk) 02:50, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Only under very limited circumstances and for very specific reasons. Mainly because I have very little free time these days, despite appearances to the contrary. There are others who may be willing to run. I am grateful you asked me, but maybe ask others as well and see what they say. Carcharoth (talk) 02:56, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
I can understand that. I did take your advice and found a half-dozen that I'd consider a good fit and asked. I do thank you for responding. — Ched (talk) 03:59, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
You would certainly have my support if you decide to throw your hat in the ring. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:01, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Special Barnstar
Many thanks for your help and assistance over the last day or so. Cheers – SchroCat (talk) 20:24, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

Wikiproject Military history coordinator election half-way mark

G'day everyone, the voting for the XIX Coordinator Tranche is at the halfway mark. The candidates have answered various questions, and you can check them out to see why they are running and decide whether you support them. Project members should vote for any candidates they support by 23:59 (UTC) on 28 September 2018. Thanks, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:36, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CLXII, October 2019

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About Wikipedia's early history dissolving

Over on Iridescent's page you asked:

"As an aside, I'm finding the written records for Wikipedia's earliest days are beginning to dissolve." - this sounds bad. Is it too late to do anything about it?

(I'm answering your question here because I feel the thread there would become too tangled, & I wanted to save Iridescent the trouble of sorting it all out.)

The problem I'm seeing is an old one, & one which will certainly crop up beyond Wikipedia/the Foundation. Namely, the irreplaceable loss of important records. We have experienced, & may continue to experience this loss because people thought someone else was keeping these records. Or that at the time, old page versions weren't considered important.

In the case of the mail list, although WikiEN-L was followed at the time by a few hundred people, I suspect most of them assumed the archive on the WMF servers had a complete copy & so never bothered to keep theirs. Or assumed someone else was keeping a backup. Only a packrat like me would bother to keep a copy, & may not even know it. (And being a packrat, I don't know which hard drive my copy is.) So when some future historian wants to trace how Wikipedia began, using a new approach that requires access to the primary sources, there will be gaps; perhaps this future historian may find it impossible to answer the questions they pose.

As for the Foundation website, IMHO I believe those earlier pages were lost when the Foundation arrogated control of that website for itself -- another of Sue Gardner's acts that alienated long-term Wikipedians contributing to the decline in volunteers. The website was redesigned & materials that did not meet the new goals were deleted, & lost unless someone thought to backup a copy of its contents before this happened. (Iridescent is optimistic that this was done; being a little older & more experienced in how groups actually operate, I suspect no one even even thought to do this.)

This kind of loss is bound to happen: we lose historical records on a regular basis because, well, we can't keep everything & not everything will be of historical interest. (Maybe the discussions on WikiEN-L will prove to be unimportant to that future historian, who will use the more powerful computers of that day to crunch data from the page edits to find relationships & find their answers that way.) It would be nice if the Foundation recognized this loss & broadcasted a request for personal copies of the mailing lists' archives to replace the missing material. But I doubt anyone there is thinking of that eventuality. Sometimes I wonder if they even have a disaster recovery plan for when something bad happens to the servers in the data center. -- llywrch (talk) 16:59, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Thank you. Hopefully something can be done. Maybe ask somewhere about this? Maybe on the (moribund last time I looked) wikiEN-l mailing list, or one of the more active mailing lists? Carcharoth (talk) 12:05, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
I hope it's ok if I say something - if not, feel free to delete. My thought was "I wonder how much web.archive sites have led folks to the belief that nothing is truly lost on the Internet" 'If someone else is willing to carry the load, why should I' thinking. — Ched (talk) 12:20, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
That probably has an effect as well. In various areas, I encourage people to periodically try and put histories and memoirs in print, so that at least something remains in that format. Those who study history know how some primary sources can end up preserving a random and unrepresentative snapshot of what happened. Carcharoth (talk) 12:23, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
Ironically, I invented a system to counter this exact problem, the need to keep a permanent archive of website content or email content, including all past changes. I was motivated and informed by my experience with Wikipedia. Jehochman Talk 19:31, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
(Sorry to be a bit slow in responding.) IMHO, the best solution would be to query everyone/anyone who is still around from the earliest days to ask what copies they might still have from those days, & if they'd be willing to share them in a central archive. (I remember when the archives of the ArbCom emails started surfacing on The Website That Shall Not Be Named some years back, in response to my request that they not be deleted, I learned this archive would be preserved for historical research. At least one corner of Wikipedia's history would be preserved. Hopefully.) -- llywrch (talk) 08:37, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2019 November newsletter

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@Andrew Davidson: thank you. I will contest it, as there are some academic references (which I added in 2008!), though I expect it will go to AfD. I see I missed Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Middle-earth. Feels like consolidation is gathering pace. Carcharoth (talk) 14:44, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

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Wikipedia talk:Notability (fiction)

Hi Carcharoth; I don't really want to wade into that discussion, but I'm happy to talk. Did you have a specific question/request for me? I note that I have nominated very few Tolkien articles for deletion, and have argued to keep at least a few! Josh Milburn (talk) 15:48, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

Nothing specific. I can understand you not wanting to wade into that discussion. Thanks for the note. Carcharoth (talk) 15:57, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

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