Talk:Id, ego and superego

Introduction

The introduction is wrong. Although ego psychologists may draw from "Ego and the Id" (1923) predominantly (I don't even know if this is true), the first release of the structural model of the mind was in his essay "Beyond the Pleasure Principle" (1920). Here is the quote from Peter Gay, a biographer, and editor of 'The Freud Reader', this is from his introduction to the essay "Beyond the Pleasure Principle: "The essay is a difficult text, but as the first statement of the new 'structural' theory of the mind, it is indispensable to an understanding of fundamental shifts in psychoanalytic thinking" (Gay, pp. 594, "The Freud Reader").

Redirection from Structural model

Hello, the redirection of "structural model" to this page is quite surprising. I found the redirection while writing a piece on the different types of computational models in biology, which include for instance models of macromolecule structures, or set of differential equations used in pharmacometrics (also called structural models, to differentiate them from the statistical part of the models). I think we should remove the redirection.Nicolas Gambardella (talk) 15:14, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Secondary or tertiary references

There is a whole lot of quoting directly from Freud, can't anyone paraphrase him or secondary references? This isn't wikiquote, and the quotes are kind of heavy for an encyclopaedia. For Thors sake, do something. -- Cimon Avaro; on a pogostick. (talk) 20:04, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Cultural Significance Vs. Scientific

Sorry to come out here as an armchair editor, but my (albeit) limited understanding of 21st century psychology is that many of Freud's theories are not so much scientifically valid or state-of-the-art at all, and are instead culturally significant holdovers that have colored popular perception of psychology. This article gives the immediate impression that these concepts are not out-of-date. I think that there should be clear reference to that, similar to an article about the ancient 'medical humors' concepts and such. In addition, I came here to look for more information about 'id, ego, and superego' as a literary device spouting out of Freud's work, which I think should be mentioned in the article. 2600:8807:5471:6700:CC8B:E0CE:DD85:9095 (talk) 04:17, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

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"Ego and Non-Ego" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Ego and Non-Ego and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 January 4 § Ego and Non-Ego until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 20:59, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 15 January 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Adumbrativus (talk) 03:46, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

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Id, ego and super-ego → Id, ego and superego – All you need to do is a quick google to find out it is the WP:COMMONNAME to have it without the apostrophe. In fact, when you search Id, ego and super-ego it auto-corrects to superego (here) because super-ego is simply less used by far. All the top results on Google use superego and it is more popular on Google Trends (here). Listed as a WP:RM as I'm not entirely sure what people's opinions on this will be. JacobTheRox (talk) 14:29, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Move. You didn't link the Google Trends data ☹️.. But yes, I see your point. COMMONNAME stands. ( Also, should probably change the wording throughout the article if the move is made). UnexpectedSmoreInquisition aka USI (talk) 16:19, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

My bad; I've linked it now =) JacobTheRox (talk) 07:26, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! UnexpectedSmoreInquisition aka USI (talk) 12:01, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Psychology has been notified of this discussion. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 17:13, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

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Section "structural model and neuropsychoanalysis" problems

Almost all of the section with the aforementioned title is unsourced, there are some major errors in grammar and spelling (eg "bodlanguage"), and some claims about the material violate NPOV, e.g. Freud's three-instance model seems thus proven from the perspective of neuropsychoanalysis.

Due to all of that, I believe that removing the section is appropriate since the claims seem too subjective to warrant finding sources. I'm going to do so, but if anyone has issues with that decision, feel free to revert it. Baneonplane (talk) 20:01, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Incorrect source/reference for quotes?

The article features a quote that is stated to originate in The Ego and the Id as a part of On Metapsychology (1923): "[...] the ego is that part of the id which has been modified by the direct influence of the external world [...]. The ego represents what may be called reason and common sense, in contrast to the id, which contains the passions [...]." This seems to be correct. The text can be found on page 363. Here attached, the text as made available by the Internet Archive: https://ia801503.us.archive.org/34/items/in.ernet.dli.2015.190734/2015.190734.On-Metapsychology-The-Theory-Of-Psychoanalysis_text.pdf

However, the quote then goes on to include: "it is like a tug of war... with the difference that in the tug of war the teams fight against one another in equality, while the ego is against the much stronger 'id'." This quote is also attributed to the same text, but I have not been able to find it anywhere on the pages it is supposedly to be found (363-364), nor anywhere else in the text. In fact, when looking for that specific section of the quote online, the only other pages I can find it on seem to be copying the wikipedia article directly.

Could someone who knows more about this than I do perhaps look into this and verify whether this is something Freud has actually said, and if so, where? Thanks in advance! 2001:1C00:1E14:8700:B992:76AC:6AA6:2895 (talk) 16:19, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

@2001:1C00:1E14:8700:B992:76AC:6AA6:2895 You cannot find it because it is a fabrication introduced here. fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four (talk) 17:15, 13 May 2025 (UTC)