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Merge proposal

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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
The result of this discussion was merge. Outcome0970 (talk) 10:19, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I propose merging Data mining in agriculture into Examples of data mining. I think the content in the former page can easily be incorporated into the latter, and that the context of this article suits such a merger well. Additionally, it would not cause any article-size or weighting problems in this article, as the one about agriculture could be written to be about the same size size as, for instance, the business section here (if not already roughly similar). Outcome0970 (talk) 12:53, 25 December 2024 (UTC) @Mike, the regular nose job, Sadads, Walsh90210, Cooldudeseven7, Elemimele, Lamona, Cyclopia, and 4meter4: Since all of you were involved in that article’s AfD, I feel this could be relevant to you. Outcome0970 (talk) 13:01, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well first of all this whole page was written by a person with conflict of interest . If it's relevant to " example " I think it's fine then . Mike, the regular nose job (talk) 13:32, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that a very tight, focused merge to that page would be appropriate -- with a review of the sources, to make sure you are bringing over the most relevant content, Sadads (talk) 21:20, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Although the article survived an AfD, there was a strong flavour that it was the subject that was notable (therefore keep) while the current article is wildly in need of improvement ("AfD is not cleanup" etc.). There were people who liked the examples, but there were others who didn't. I think these are a set of very indiscriminate examples. They are far more specific and niche than anything currently in the Examples of data mining article. That article is currently hanging on to its general-overview status by its fingernails, managing to keep to big themes, but with niche examples creeping in. It's really important to keep it as a general overview article. Contaminating it with low-selectivity merges from elsewhere would be a very bad idea.
My (strong) feeling is that it would be okay to put one sentence in Examples of data mining related to agriculture, referenced to a book or review article covering the subject in general. It would not be okay to put a series of individual examples referenced to primary literature (that goes against the structure of that article and would give undue weight to agriculture).
Meanwhile, it's perfectly justified to keep a stand-alone article on applications in agriculture, but really the current article, despite surviving AfD, remains a very unsatisfactory hotch-potch of examplets not representative of the subject. Elemimele (talk) 16:58, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I completely agree with your take. I think to salvage this article there needs to be a deliberate plan to give this article more structure. If there are sources on how this ag data mining has affected farmers, yield, profit, soil conservation etc, that could be a good way to connect these niche examples and round them off. For example, if there was a source where an expert said that farmers involved in the trial of technology for disease detection through animal sounds frequently experienced disruptive false positives, it would provide a good balance to the niche academic research paper tone that the article currently has and tie them together with a more general understanding of the subject, and would demonstrate the relevancy of the article less abstractly (i.e. this subject a thing in the real world affecting real people) Buglover100000 (talk) 06:31, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per Mike, the regular nose job, Sadads, and nom. Looking at the fact of how both are related on data mining, I hence agree with your statement. Agriculture is an example of data mining in this scenario- but please check the sources before the merge as Mike, the regular nose job mentioned. Thanks! Cooldudeseven7 join in on the tea talk 12:26, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
is the merge happening and can I help (yes I'm new) Spicy bushtit (talk) 23:29, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes and yes (honestly I forgot about this until just now). Just read this and keep in mind the suggestions of this discussion. Also, just for future reference, you don’t need to ask to perform these, you can just start doing them (though if they’re bad they might get reverted). Outcome0970 (talk) 09:46, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Good decision. Mike, the regular nose job (talk) 08:13, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
At this point, it looks like the articles are ready to merge... Cooldudeseven7 join in on the tea talk 11:10, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes Mike, the regular nose job (talk) 05:50, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Given that it's been almost six months since the merge was first proposed, and there's been no objections from anyone about the merge itself, I think it's safe to say there is a consensus. Outcome0970 (talk) 10:13, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Merge discussion

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I see two potential options for merging Data mining in agriculture into this article:

- A minimalist approach: Creating a brief summary of that page on a new Agriculture section here, retaining the original on its own page (with further improvements taking place on there), and adding a Template:Main tag to the section on Agriculture to be created here. This would be along the lines of Elemimele's comment in the Merge proposal discussion.

- A maximalist approach: Completely merging that page into here, turning the original into a redirect, and making further edits of that page in the section here. This would be in line with WP:MERGETEXT.


I personally think it would be possible to capture the essence of the original article sufficiently in a section on Agriculture here to justify a full (maximalist) merge. What are your thoughts on this? @Mike, the regular nose job, @Sadads, @Walsh90210, @Cooldudeseven7, @Elemimele, @Lamona, @Cyclopia, @4meter4, @Buglover100000, @Spicy bushtit Outcome0970 (talk) 12:50, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think there is a lot of value in retaining the original article -- redirecting to a section with minimalist, high quality sources coming over would make sense. Afterwards, if we wanted something similar in scope, I think there ought to be article about using AI and Machine learning in agriculture: there are an increasing body of research and organizations working in this direction, but its not "data mining" in the sense that the current article covers. Sadads (talk) 12:56, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I haven't changed my opinion: the original Data mining in agriculture article is an indiscriminate selection of primary examples, which isn't appropriate. Data mining is so common in such a wide range of disciplines now that any article based on individual primary articles will either be a random incomplete selection or 40 Gbytes of database-spew-out. It would be better to go for a minimalist summary of the areas in which data-mining contributes to agriculture, sourced to secondary review articles, not individual applications. Since the original article did survive an AfD, I can't justify completely deleting it, but frankly I'm in agreement with Sadads, I don't think it should exist. It could be replaced by a more detailed review, but there's very little in the original article that could be used. It's our job to create tertiary summaries of secondary reviews, not to write secondary reviews of primary literature. Elemimele (talk) 13:43, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
A deletion isn't the same thing as a merge, as in the latter case, the original article would "live on" in the section here (WP:Delete or merge). If there is indeed very little to no relevant information from there that could stand on its own, then that fact would become readily apparent through numerous rounds of revision and copyediting (which needs to be done regardless of whether the original stands as a full page or not). Outcome0970 (talk) 05:33, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

To my mind this topic is primarily about agriculture, not data mining. It is about modern agricultural techniques that use data in ways not previously possible. I think this relates to Agriculture#Agricultural_automation, and that is where a reduction of this article could be merged. I would not recommend deleting the current Data mining in agriculture until that is done and we see if it is considered sufficient. I know (of) at least one expert in the area who can comment once that is done, but note that there are a number of Ag and Ag-related folks who post on Youtube and perhaps we could find a way to solicit them to review. Lamona (talk) 17:58, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think a case could be made for both, and I personally feel that they wouldn't be mutually exclusive. Imho, the Agricultural automation section would be able to fit ~3-5 sentences at most about data mining before becoming too weighty and unwieldy, while the section here could accommodate a broader scope and focus more on the data mining aspect. Outcome0970 (talk) 05:44, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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