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Former good articleDeborah Kerr was one of the Media and drama good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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November 16, 2007Good article nomineeListed
March 19, 2023Good article reassessmentDelisted
Current status: Delisted good article

RE: Stewart Granger/Deborah Kerr Affair

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I understand that Mr Granger claimed this happened, in his autobiography, and instead of removing the entire sentence I have changed the word "revealed" to "claimed" in the Personal Life section. As I had pointed out in my reason for editing, it is a claim by ONE man! There is no independent information produced by anybody as yet to back up his claims. Therefore it is only proper to alert the readers of this article that it should only be seen as such. To call it a "revelation" is to call what had alledgedly happened to be true. People can claim anything in their autobiographies. If there is coroberating evidence to support Stewart Granger's claims then by all means provide it in the article. Tabloid-like phrasing that alludes to something that may or may not have happened, does not belong here. WikiphyteMk1 (talk) 07:28, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

One version of her reply was "He should be so lucky." Valetude (talk) 13:28, 27 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Usual pronunciation of Kerr

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"the Scottish pronunciation of her surname usually sounds like "care""? (No, it does not! And I am Scottish so I think I should know. It is pronounced as you would the German word 'Herr'.) Possibly the two words sound similar if pronounced by someone with a very strong Received Pronunciation accent, with the rolled "r" sound omitted and the "e" and "a" sounds barely distinguishable, but this sounds nothing like the Scottish pronunciation of Kerr: /kɛr/. Mutt Lunker (talk) 22:44, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Possible reasons for indifference to Miss Kerr

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The Scottish attitude to Deborah has, I think, always been one of cool indifference. If the Scots take a dislike to you, regardless of who you are, they will do so by barely acknowledging your existance, never mind recognize you as one of their own. So why would they dislike Miss Kerr?

Well, there was certainly the issue of her old Scottish surname (comes from a Scottish borders clan). Perhaps they believed, and not without justification, that if she'd been a true Scotswoman, she would have insisted that it be pronounced properly. Then there was that pretentious image of the 'English Rose' which would have gotten up the noses of some diehard Scots; who would have just taken the view, again not unnaturally, that she was just shedding her honest Scottish persona for this phoney manufactured one so typical of the annoyingly affected 'English Lady', in order to endear herself to the 'auld enemy' and possibly even pass herself off as English. It should not be forgotten either that Kerr moved to England very early in her life and, if I'm not mistaken, was indeed half English; these facts would hardly have endeared her to her compatriots either, and would certainly have gone some way in creating the impression that she was not a real Scotswoman. In short, she wasn't somebody you would have readily associated with Scotland; though there was undoubtedly a distinctly Scottish aspect to her features and demeanour, which one might associate with the fine-features of a well-healed, Middle-class Scots lady, a bit prim and proper and probably a school teacher from somewhere like Edinburgh (the actress Hannah Gordon is another typical example; as are some part-Scots such as Greer Garson and Jeanette MacDonald).

As to whether or not she was worthy of any plaudits or titles from the State in recognition of her contribution to the stage and screen, perhaps that should be left to those who are in a better position to judge such things. On a personal level, and I am Scottish, as much as I thought she was a competent actress and did have a memorable screen presence, I can't honestly say I ever thought there was anything particularly outstanding about her -- save for her capacity to pass herself off as an Englishwoman. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.111.183.96 (talk) 07:47, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

We can speculate all day about this sort of thing. Ultimately, however, it's not relevant to this page, which is for discussion of issues concerning the attached article or ways to make it better. There are any number of fansites and blogs out there, where your thoughts would be very apposite. Thank you. -- Jack of Oz [your turn] 09:21, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but I thought this was a discussion page, and all I was doing was posing a few possible and plausible theories in the speculative debate over why the subject has not received greater recognition for her work in drama. If I'd known it was just a forum for pointless and repetative sycophantic praise, I surely wouldn't have bothered. But anyway, what exactly is the point to this 'talk' page? If you wish to add authenticated important details about her biography then surely these belong on the attached article. Or will just wee snippets or anecdotes relating to her do? (If so, here's one. A friend when he was a waiter at Turnberry Hotel, had to announce to her in the diningroom that there was a phone call for her. Her response rather than just graceful gratitude, was to haughtily chide him for addressing her as Miss Kerr rather than Miss Carr.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.111.183.130 (talk) 05:24, 13 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Where's your citation or reference to show that the Scots are cool and indifferent to her?
A subject like this is fine in the discussion area, but has no place in the main article because it's just opinion, hearsay & speculation
Given the amount of publicity about how to pronounce her name and that the person asking for her probably pronounced it correctly, it's not too surprising that she corrected your friend. But that she did so in a haughty chiding manner is just hearsay -- SteveCrook (talk) 08:13, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines start out: The purpose of a Wikipedia talk page ... is to provide space for editors to discuss changes to its associated article or project page. Article talk pages should not be used by editors as platforms for their personal views on a subject. I recommend you read the whole thing.
I see it this way: A discussion on this talk page has to relate to something that is in the Deborah Kerr article, or something that someone has suggested be included in the article. It is not for a general chinwag about what various editors liked or disliked about her life and works, public or private. It is not for speculation or gossip. And it is certainly not for "pointless and repetative sycophantic praise". If you want to have something in the article about the Scottish attitude to her, it would be fine (subject to the views of other editors) to find some cited material from a reputable source about that matter and include it. It would not be fine to inject one's own personal views, though. So, there's really no point in airing one's personal views here, because they're never going to get into the article; or, if they do, they'll be quickly edited out by someone else. -- Jack of Oz [your turn] 09:10, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I have seen the Talk pages also being used to discuss an idea before it is added to the article. But I don't think that this idea could ever be added to the article because it is all just hearsay & speculation -- SteveCrook (talk) 09:47, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Was Deborah Kerr scottish?

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I've just made a few minor edits of the DK page, including correcting her birth name to simply "Deborah Jane Trimmer" - see the Helensburgh article ref. 2 for confirmation. And I've added that she only adopted "Kerr" on becoming a film actress - see Eric Braun's biography, ref. 13, for confirmation.

The story from Braun is that Kerr was the maiden name of the maternal grandmother of her grandfather Arthur Kerr Trimmer (1861-1926). But I've been researching the family history (my mother was a 2nd cousin of DK), and I'm fairly sure the grandmother in question was one Sarah Spendiff (ca. 1791-1877) from Kent. So I don't know where Arthur Kerr Trimmer got the "Kerr" from - maybe a relative, maybe not. If anyone knows, please chip in!

So perhaps her Scottish connection is only that she lived there from birth to age 3, in which case it might be more accurate to refer to her as Scots-born rather than Scottish.

PS She did have Scottish ancestry through her grandmother Mary Jane Dodgin (1864-1961), with whom her family lived after her father's death in 1937. Mary Jane's maternal grandfather was the sea-captain Robert Ellis (1816-94), born in North Leith, and his mother was Christy Mackenzie, born in 1792 on the farm near Tain that is now the Glenmorangie distillery - you can't get much more scottish than that!. But this only contributes 1/16 of Deborah Kerr's ancestry, and it doesn't explain where the name Kerr fits in.

(Dmollison (talk) 13:46, 18 July 2012 (UTC))[reply]

personal life

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the last sentence is outdated. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 19:58, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Deborah Kerr was Scottish-born, not a Scottish Actress

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I have edited the article a few times, and mostly the edits have stuck, as I provided specific, factual information which helped to clarify details of her life and significance. Recently, I changed Scottish film, theatre and television actress to Scottish-born, indicating in my reasons that the appellation Scottish actress was not only inaccurate but limiting, as if she were an actress who primarily worked in Scotland. It has been repeatedly removed by someone, who will not reveal his/her name or give a reason, so I have undone the change each time, in the last instance adding the words internationally known, the phrase now reading "Scottish-born internationally known film, theatre and television actress."

This is accurate and descriptive, whereas to announce her at the beginning of the article as a Scottish actress in those fields is patently untrue. Unlike Ingrid Bergman or Greta Garbo, who became international film stars, they were in fact Swedish actresses, also appearing theatrically in their countries, as did Simone Signoret perform in France. Deborah Kerr's career began in England, where her film career blossomed until she was brought to the States by MGM. To my knowledge, she never worked in Scotland, unless perhaps one of her films had scenes shot there or she might have toured in a play when she resumed her stage career. So, to continually reference her as a Scottish actress, presumably and only due to her birth and early childhood there, would be akin to referring to Vivien Leigh as an Indian actress or Olivia de Havilland and Joan Fontaine as Japanese actresses, because that's where these actresses were born. Or perhaps detail Audrey Hepburn as Belgian, though why she's referred to as British in Wikipedia is beyond me. Even if she were a citizen of that country she didn't live there until she was a young woman and was never considered a British actress anymore than Liz Taylor was a British actress, though she was born in London to American parents. Anyway, I do believe that common sense should prevail and, although Wikipedia seems to permit people to continually edit these articles as they wish, there ought to be some oversight by the powers that be over such matters. Andymickey (talk) 07:16, 12 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment comment

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The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Deborah Kerr/CommentsTalk:Deborah Kerr/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

Needs citing, cleaning ....(Complain)(Let us to it pell-mell) 04:16, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Last edited at 04:16, 2 September 2006 (UTC). Substituted at 13:06, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

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GA Reassessment

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Deborah Kerr

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Result: Issues unresolved, no active work. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 00:19, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A GA from 2007. The Early Career section has been tagged for needing additional citations for almost 3 years now while the hollywood section looks like it needs some more too. Later films and Television are entirely unsourced. There's a lot of uncited material here that i likely haven't noticed yet because it's pretty bad. Onegreatjoke (talk) 00:28, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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