Talk:Chelsea Manning

why is her deadname literally in the first sentence

do better Beep320 (talk) 18:56, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

According to the policy, since she was also notable under her previous name, it goes in the lead section (See MOS:DEADNAME. In fact, her situation is even used as an example).--MattMauler (talk) 19:00, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

cringe and transphobic Beep320 (talk) 19:01, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

@Beep320 How is it transphobic? It is a legit guideline, did you not even bother to read MOS:DEADNAME before you baselessly called someone cringe and transphobic? Titan(moon)003 (talk) 02:55, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

My removals

I made quite a few removals so I'm opening a discussion. My concern is that the military service section was wandering way off topic. A lot of the content there should be in a different section. Jozsefs (talk) 10:37, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Selecting pronouns in direct quotation

Due to the contentious topic, I am posting here before making any changes. In the section on military service, we write the following: She was allegedly being bullied, and according to another soldier, was having a breakdown. The soldier told The Guardian: "The kid was barely five foot ... [She] was a runt, so pick on [her]. [She's] crazy, pick on [her]. [She's] a faggot, pick on [her]. The [girl] took it from every side. [She] couldn't please anyone."

I think this is an excessive number of bracketed changes that hurts readability. I also think it compromises the original quote. One option would be to paraphrase, but the structure conveys meaning that would be difficult to capture. Another option would be to remove it entirely. A third option would be to use the original pronouns. I suggest the third, which is employed for a quote from Manning's father in the Background section. Any thoughts? cityuser (talk) 10:22, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

MOS:GENDERID gives the advice to prefer paraphrasing over excessive bracketed replacements. Excessive bracketed replacements are still preferable to misgendering. If we can't find a way to make the line flow better, I would omit it. –RoxySaunders 🏳️‍⚧️ (talk • stalk) 16:55, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

Typos in Quote

• What I think should be changed (format using {{textdiff}}):

In the first paragraph of the section "2019 jailing for contempt":

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"we've seen this power abused countless times to target political speech. I have nothing to contribute to this case and I resent being forced to endanger myself by participating in this predatory practic0e"

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"We've seen this power abused countless times to target political speech. I have nothing to contribute to this case and I resent being forced to endanger myself by participating in this predatory practice"

I.e. capitalization and removing the digit 0.

• Why it should be changed:

This seems to be a typo, the source after that quote has the quote without those errors.

• References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button):

OmegaOrderable (talk) 09:59, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

 Done (but I also moved the period inside the quotation because it was part of the original quotation). 1101 (talk) 11:06, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

References

Inconsistencies regarding her name

In the sections regarding her earlier life, Chelseas deadname is used interchangeably with Chelsea. I am unaware of the policy regarding biographies and name changes but I think that Chelsea should be used whenever possible. AlighieriJvc (talk) 18:46, 4 November 2025 (UTC)

Where are you seeing Manning's deadname in the early life section? I only see it in the first sentence of the article, which is consistent with WP:DEADNAME. Funcrunch (talk) 20:00, 4 November 2025 (UTC)

If what you're seeing is the reference titles, we cannot reasonably alter them, as they need to be accurate for verifiability. But her prior name appears nowhere in the text of the article between the first sentence and the court case (although a user handle built off of the name is mentioned once.) -- Nat Gertler (talk) 20:27, 4 November 2025 (UTC)

Please review the FAQ above. cheers. anastrophe, an editor he is. 20:41, 4 November 2025 (UTC)