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RfC: Should Imperial Decree on events leading up to the signing of the Boxer Protocol be merged into Boxer Protocol?

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The (lengthily named) Imperial Decree on events leading up to the signing of the Boxer Protocol article deals with the events leading up to the Boxer Protocol, and INTENSELY overlaps Boxer Protocol. In terms of topic overlap, you seldom find a better example. It is an excellent contribution and most of the text should live on, but it's a fork, it needs to join its parent! People looking for this good info about the Qing dynasty leading up to the crisis will never find it in this fledgling (recently brought up from stub status) article out in the wilderness hidden behind this weirdly long and unwieldy article title (a fork symptom). NickDupree (talk) 01:28, 15 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Objection - (1) Boxer Protocol is not an isolated event, however,it was the final event, after major events such as Boxer rebellion, Eight-Nation Alliance, plus many other events. The "Imperial Decrees" article is an article on all those decrees alone, that means this article focus on "Imperial Decrees", not on Boxer Protocol. That said, how about I move the name to: 1901 Imperial Decrees? My argument is, that article can be a standalone article without any mention of "Boxer Protocol" on the title, because the topic is "Imperial Decrees".
(2) The decree article deals with primary source, Boxer Protocol deals with secondary source, we need to be careful when we are dealing with primary source, if not, most of the content will be lost, because of primary source.
Arilang talk 04:44, 15 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge, unless sources treat as distinct - I've read both articles, and indeed it looks like the Decree article could be merged into the Protocol article: I think the readers of the encyclopedia would benefit. The only reason not to merge them is if there are secondary sources that treat the Decrees as an isolated topic (I have not yet looked for any). If there are a few secondary sources devoted to the topic of the decrees, then that would suggest that it is appropriate to not merge them. But in the absence of such sources, they should be merged. The burden is on the "not merge" editors to provide sources (articles in journals, chapters in books, etc) that are dedicated to the Decrees. --Noleander (talk) 14:55, 16 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment If we have reach consensus to merge, then I shall withdraw my objection. However, please make sure the full content stays, as it is primary source, the use of it in article is somehow restrictive. See:Wikipedia:No original research#Primary, secondary and tertiary sources. Arilang talk 05:47, 19 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge: The Imperial Decree on the Boxer Protocol is not given distinct enough treatment in its article to be separate. Merging the Decree article into the Protocol article would help the Boxer Protocol article, and it would also bring more eyes to the improvement to the Decree content such that it eventually may be forked out when fully developed. Quigley (talk) 05:05, 3 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge. I think you can simply be WP:BOLD on this one. --Ohconfucius ¡digame! 06:59, 5 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • RfC can be wrapped up now - RfCs are supposed to run about 30 days. That period has elapsed, so editors are free to carry out the actions indicated by the consensus above. --Noleander (talk) 16:33, 3 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Historical books

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Tong Tekong, scholar, historian and university lecturer, Hou Yijie, scholar, historian and writer of university text books, Wang Shuzhen, history books writer, and Jin Manluo, and their books cover 10 to 70 years of Manchu Empire history, and yet, none of their books were being cited in all the Boxer Protocol related articles. Put it this way, their books cover many important historical topics, and Yihetuan is just part of them. Discussion is open now. Arilang talk 03:26, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This is an important point!
These are indeed worthy scholars and richly documented books. However, a Wikipedia article is aimed at the general reader. Wikipedia strong policy WP:NOENG calls for English language works whenever possible, and this is a good policy. The goal is to produce a readable and reliable article, not to enter every possible source. Another objection is that if we make an exception to Wikipedia policy for these esteemed scholars, then where would we stop? There are dozens of equally worthy scholars writing in Chinese, Japanese, Russian, French, German, and... well, the list goes on. There are more than enough good sources to write this article so let's concentrate our precious time on that. ch (talk) 15:40, 3 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dong fuxiang muslims

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Influence of dong fuxiang and his muslim army on the boxer protocol sparing his life- his army surrounded xi'an while the imperial government was in session there-

http://books.google.com/books?id=iWxKQejMtlMC&dq=diana+preston+napoleon&q=Moslem#v=snippet&q=Moslem&f=false

Seyeednu (talk) 06:44, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

By 1938, 652.37 million taels had been paid

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I marked this dubious as it is much more than the original. Plus many of these debts were forgiven. If true needs explanation.Tuntable (talk) 02:21, 7 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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