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Vasco Vieira da Costa
Vasco Vieira da Costa
Born	March 2, 1911; Portugal
Died	1982; Porto, Portugal
Nationality	Portugal
Education	School of Beaux-Arts of Porto Sorbonne University Paris
Occupation	Architect
Notable work	Market of Kinaxixe (1950-1952) Anangola Building (1950) Bloco da Mutamba (década de 1960) Institut Pio XII
Spouse	Barbara Gtaz-Carr Vieira da Costa
Children	2
Parent	"Francisco Vieira da Costa" "Violeta Vieira da Costa"

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Template:Find sources AFD

I propose that we combine Template:Find sources AFD, the best quick and easy aid to finding sources online, into Template:Draft article. Proposed at Wikipedia_talk:Drafts#Template:Find_sources_AFD. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 06:57, 7 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Lack of submit button

Is there a good reason why {{Userspace draft}} has a friendly "Finished? Submit your draft for review!" button, but this template doesn't? --McGeddon (talk) 15:11, 24 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request

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It is requested as discussed at Wikipedia talk:Drafts#Subcategories for Category:Draft articles to add the parameter |subject= to the template, which with the necessary code will place the page in one of these categories:

For example: |subject=Agriculture, food, and drink will place the page in Category:Drafts about agriculture, food, and drink. Use of this parameter should also override and negate automatic placement in Category:Draft articles. Thank you.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 16:09, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Done I used parameter values which are generally shorter. New values can be added if desired. Izno (talk) 17:47, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Izno, ~~could you perhaps update the template documentation as well so we now what the correct values are?~~ Nevermind I can do it. I can see them in the template history.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 17:50, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@TriiipleThreat: You should also have access to a "View source" button which provides the source directly. --Izno (talk) 17:52, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@TriiipleThreat and Izno: I updated the documentation, and added the full category name as an option (note that I also changed "arts" to "art" to match the category name). --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 18:20, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Ahecht, there was edit conflict as I was working on something similar at the same time but I self reverted.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 18:35, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Izno and Ahecht: I forgot one. Can one of you also add Category:Drafts about history.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 00:08, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Done Izno (talk) 14:44, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 14:50, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Template-protected edit request on 31 December 2017

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Could someone please remove the TfD tag, because the discussion was closed. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 19:44, 31 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Done -- John of Reading (talk) 09:56, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

RFC: Let's add Template:Draft to all drafts

Please comment. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 18:22, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

TFD: Open draft

See the discussion for full details, but we could 'merge' the two templates, and have an update wording. Instead of

Current

Proposed

Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 20:45, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Following feedback, mostly from Mike Peel (talk · contribs) I've updated the {{Draft article/sandbox}} to

This is a draft Wikipedia article, a work in progress open to editing by anyone, which may or may not be ready for inclusion in the article mainspace.

This is shorter, to the point, and gets rid of a lot of implied redundancies. If it's a draft, it's obviously not necessarily ready/factual/etc... Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 23:28, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I don't quite like "ready for inclusion in the article mainspace". The term "mainspace" is a bit too inside baseball. Could we say something like "ready to become a real Wikipedia article"? XOR'easter (talk) 23:35, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I don't like saying "may or may not" as it doesn't seem to assert anything. If the idea is to give editors a link to the core content policies, perhaps it can be something like this: Before publishing this draft to Wikipedia, ensure that it meets Wikipedia's core content policies. Something that provides direction regarding what to do, basically. isaacl (talk) 01:25, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I like that. I'll put that in the sandbox. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 01:27, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Can you make it "please ensure"? (Or I'll do it after.) isaacl (talk) 01:30, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Already done. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 01:32, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! On another note, is it just me, or is the "History" section at the start of the core content policies page just a big momentum killer in educating new editors on these policies? Perhaps it could be re-organized to emphasize what newcomers need to know, up front... isaacl (talk) 01:39, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That would be best discussed at WT:CCPOL. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 01:45, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes; just looking for an opinion on whether it's just me or not, while we're looking at the page. isaacl (talk) 01:48, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Add a link for a Wikipedia search of mainspace for the title

I propose that this template should include a google search for

"Draft article" +wikipedia

The links begin with a search for

"Draft article" -wikipedia

which is great for finding external sources, but the search within Wikipedia is an important thing to do to find content forks and merge targets. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:24, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template sexy brevity

Suggest the template would be more satisfactory to wider diversity of editors like this (Wikilinks omitted)

This is a Wikipedia draft article. Anyone can help edit it. These links have more info

For readers
For editors willing to work on it
Things to do before posting to article space

Compact. Not busy. Speedy to digest. Simple. I have not attempted to write text that would open with the various links. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 15:16, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The point is to make the information available right then and there (and those links will only work when found on the page directly). Things could certainly be organized differently, no reader should end up in draft space (first bullet would be near useless) and all links are relevant for 'editors willing to work on it' in some way or form. "Things to do before posting to article space" has some potential, but specifics would matter. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 15:22, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Do we have any tools that allow a link to popup text from inside a template? Can we collapse text in a template and include a "show" link? NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 15:25, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Nope. And collapsing text wouldn't save any space (line-by line, at least..., collectively, that might work), and just make it annoying to expand every time you wanted to use the tools. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 23:19, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@NewsAndEventsGuy: how about now? Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 23:55, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks much nicer on my fullsize desktop monitor. How does it look on other displays? NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 00:00, 22 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Looks pretty decent on mobile. TemplateStyles would likely be handy down the line, but it's not bad looking. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 00:08, 22 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Draft_article#Invite_others_to_join_in

Note: Moved from [1]. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 20:53, 28 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I like the idea of having this as an option, but that's essentially a more complicated way of doing what Template:Open draft does – given that it's nominated for deletion and the nomination has received a decent amount of support, I'd imagine this option might be seen as problematic: if people object to the idea of drafts being explicitly marked as open using one template, then presumably they would object to drafts being so marked using another. – Uanfala (talk) 20:49, 28 August 2018 (UTC) Sorry, my bad: I hadn't noticed that was the doc page, I thought this was a proposed new feature: if it's established and people are using it, then the issue is moot. – Uanfala (talk) 21:08, 28 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template-protected edit request on 20 September 2018

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On the button that states "Finished? Submit for review!", change to "Ready to publish? Submit for review!". This is because an article is never finished (as described in WP:NOTDONE), so when a draft is published, it is not "finished", so the term is misleading. Ted Edwards 15:23, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@TedEdwards: I think this is referring to Are you finished drafting? - not that it can never be edited again, maybe "Finished drafting? Submit for review!" ? — xaosflux ^Talk 19:58, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Xaosflux:Well, obviously it means what you says it means, but using the word "finished" implies the draft has to be perfect before it goes to the mainspace, which couldn't be further from the truth. But "Finished drafting?" would be a perfectally acceptable phase and one I personally would be happy with. Ted Edwards 20:27, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Done OK TedEdwards , went with "Finished drafting?" - thanks for the engagement here. — xaosflux ^Talk 22:04, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template-protected edit request on 9 April 2019

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The clickable "Submit for review" button should pre-fill the edit window with an edit summary like "Submit for review" instead of a blank edit summary. Qzekrom 💬 ^they_them 01:37, 9 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Qzekrom: The URL currently contains nosummary=1, and I don't know if consensus would be needed to change that. However, it is apparently impossible to set a custom summary when creating a new section (see mw:Manual:Creating pages with preloaded text), so I'm marking this as answered since it doesn't seem to be possible to implement what you propose. Jc86035 (talk) 09:02, 9 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Template-protected edit request on 4 July 2019

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To remove obsolete HTML lint error, please change

<center>{{Draft article check}}</center>

to

<div style="text-align: center;">{{Draft article check}}</div>

— Anomalocaris (talk) 13:41, 4 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Done Primefac (talk) 20:02, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Primefac: Thanks! —Anomalocaris (talk) 21:48, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Template-protected edit request on 3 January 2020

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I have created a new parameter |future-film= (a simple boolean/"yes" parameter) which will add an additional {{mbox}} below the main Draft article info. This box states: "Please note: This draft should not be moved to the mainspace until filming has begun, per WP:NFF." It is intended to be used on draft articles for upcoming feature films, to alert editors who may not be familiar with film notability guidelines about how and when said film draft should be moved into the mainspace. An example of this usage, hard coded, can currently be seen at Draft:Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness.

The code for this edit can be found in the sandbox here. It has been tested in the the test cases subpage. Additionally, since we already have the parameter |join-in= that makes an mbox, should both parameters be used, this code will only create one mbox with both texts. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 21:22, 3 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit template-protected}} template. No reason to clutter the template with specific templates, there are multiple policies that state what must be an article and what must be not, impossible to accomodate all of them (unless consensus determines we should). qedk (t 桜 c) 10:17, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Template-protected edit request on 8 March 2020

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Please sync changes from Template:Draft article/sandbox.

When the first positional parameter is provided (the name of destination article), presently the check for whether the mainspace article already exists is still done for Draft article, not than name of article provided as first parameter. I have fixed this shortcoming.

This change has been tested. SD0001 (talk) 09:55, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

To editor SD0001:

done. PI Ellsworth ed. ^put'r there 15:19, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Add a parameter to remove the AfC button

I could have sworn this template had this feature at one point, but I can't seem to find it looking through template and documentation history. Regardless, I believe a parameter should be added that can remove the "Finished drafting? Submit for review!" button. This would be particularly helpful to implement on future film drafts, where the guideline WP:NFF exists and is quite clear that shooting has to begin on a film before it can be a mainspace article. I've seen quite a few times where a draft is being compiled gearing up to this date, and then a user comes by and click the button to submit it to AfC, going against the guideline. If the button were not there, I feel that would prevent some of these inadvertent submissions. Future film drafts are a specific set of drafts I know this could be applied for, and it's possible it could be applied to others as well, should a guideline(s) be behind the reasoning for removal. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 21:01, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I concur. I came here specifically to find a template or parameter to do just that. I often use draft space to work on the intial versions of articles where others can participate in improving them (as opposed to my own userspace), and I've had several of these "submitted for review". I generally just remove tne review, but having a parameter to disable the review, or a tag that states that no review is needed, would be helpful. BilCat (talk) 22:49, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Publish/move to mainspace button

I believe the template needs (and rather badly) an additional button, perhaps in green, under the blue "Finished Drafting? Submit for review" button, would say which would say something like: "Finished Drafting? Publish/move to mainspace". The current template is misleading since it omits this option, while the WP:Drafts#Publishing a draft editing policy describes this process as the main option for publishing a draft for autoconfirmed users. By comparison, submitting a draft for review is an entirely voluntury procedure that nobody should be forced to go through unless they chose to do so. The current situation with the template actively misleads many autoconfirmed users as lots and lots of them clearly have no idea that they don't need to submit a draft for review but can simply move it to mainspace themselves. Nsk92 (talk) 00:42, 22 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Template-protected edit request on 19 May 2021

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Create a profile for the architect Vasco Vieira da Costa.

Vasco Vieira da Costa (Portugal, March 2, 1911 - Porto, 1982) was a prestigious Portuguese architect.

With a degree in Architecture from the School of Fine Arts of Porto, Vasco Vieira da Costa was the forerunner of the modern movement in Angola and Africa, and one of the most prestigious Portuguese architects, and also in Africa. Author of the famous Mercado do Kinaxixe (1950-1952), Edifício da Anangola (1950s) and Bloco da Mutamba (1960s), all in Luanda.

Vieira da Costa married Barbara Gratz-Carr, niece of Helen Gratz Rockefeller, whom he met while studying in Paris, at the Sorbonne, who was also a student at the Sobornne, studying History of Art.

His line was influenced by the Franco-Swiss master Le Corbusier (1887-1965), with whom he worked while studying at the Sorbonne in Paris. He operated in Angola for 30 years, being the creator of the Faculty of Architecture of Luanda.

Vasco Vieira da Costa was born in Portugal on March 2, 1911.

He studied architecture at the School of Fine Arts at the University of Porto (ESBAP) and then continued his studies at the Sorbonne Paris University.

Vieira da Costa married Barbara Gratz-Carr, niece of Helen Gratz Rockefeller, whom he met while studying in Paris at the Sorbonne University.

During his stay in Paris, while studying at the Sorbonne University in Paris he interned at the studio of the renowned Franco-Swiss architect Le Corbusier (1887-1965). He completed the course at the Sorbonne having presented as his final work the thesis entitled La Ville du Coton: avant-projet d'une ville satellite pour Luanda, supervised by André Gatton (1904-2002). Shortly afterwards, he presented that same dissertation (meanwhile renamed Satellite City No. 3), in the Competition to Obtain the Architect Diploma. As this is ESBAP's first thesis in the field of Urbanism, a formal request was sent to the General Directorate of Higher Education to make the respective defense viable. Influenced by the Modern Movement, it deserved the classification of 17 values out of 20.

After studying, Vieira da Costa returned to Angola and joined the Technical Services of the Luanda City Council. It was at this stage that it was necessary to order his first public work, the Quinaxixe Market, a retail and supply market in Luanda, opened in 1958 and which would be demolished in post-colonialism.

He was a promoter of the Architecture course in Angola. The process of creating this course started with the invitation from Ivo Ferreira Lopes, Rector of the University of Angola, through the Minister of Education, José Veiga Simão. Vieira da Costa was not, however, alone, and said with the constant collaboration of Manuel Correia Fernandes and with the occasional collaboration of Troufa Real and Júlio Saint-Maurice.

Vieira da Costa was a mandatory reference in the cultural itinerary of architects in Africa. Bearer of a load, markedly European cultural and animated by the modern movement, deeply knowledgeable of «his land» Angola. Demanding in professional practice, rigorous in the exercise of the project, scrupulous in professional ethics and uncompromising in the values and principles he defended, Vasco Vieira da Costa strained nervously to transmit to the younger generations who passed by his atelier in Luanda everything he had learned alerting all the precautions and precautions that an architect should meet in order to be able to act without risks in a land as difficult to exercise the profession as it was at that time.

Until 1982 he was director of the Architecture course officially inaugurated at the Faculty of Engineering of Angola in 1979. For the final completion of the project, he could again count on Manuel Correia Fernandes and, still, on Alexandre Alves Costa, Nuno Portas and Frank Svensson.

It is worthwhile to go to Luanda to see his work whose meaning and quality are undeniable. The Quinaxixe Market, the Angolan Engineering Laboratory, the Headquarters of the Angolan Naturals Association, the Sécil Building, the English School, the Building at Largo da Mutamba, now the Ministry of Public Works, Mutamba building, Hotel Turismo, among many others. He was one of the creators of the Angolan School of Architecture, of whom until his death he was the responsible and teacher. The Porto City Council awarded him, in 1947, the urbanistic prize, for the 1944-45 biennium.

Vasco Vieira da Costa was married to Barbara Gratz-Carr, an American student of Art History at the Sorbonne, whom he fell in love with when he lived in Paris.

He died in Porto on March 19, 1982.

He was posthumously honored, on October 3, 2006, by the Department of Architecture of Universidade Lusíada de Angola (ULA), during the celebrations of World Architecture Day. WWAAAWW (talk) 14:13, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: this is the talk page for discussing improvements to the template {{Draft article}}. Please make your request at the talk page for the article concerned. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 14:28, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Template-protected edit request on 10 July 2021

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Please add a parameter enabling the removal of the Submit for review button, but otherwise keeping the template the same, for non-AfC drafts. ―Qwerfjkl talk 20:46, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I advocated for this in this section above, so I would support this and hope a template editor can implement this. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 23:41, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done You can now suppress the "submit" button by passing |noafc=yes. firefly ( t · c ) 10:36, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Template-protected edit request on 23 July 2021

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Ajayi Marvelous (talk) 01:32, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I want to be able to edit please

Not done: requests for decreases to the page protection level should be directed to the protecting admin or to Wikipedia:Requests for page protection if the protecting admin is not active or has declined the request. If you have a specific change in mind. Make the change on the templates sandbox and then reopen the request and explain why the change should be made. Terasail ^[✉️] 02:02, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Template not reacting to "name" parameter appropriately

Hi, I noticed that this template is not using the "name" parameter in accordance with the template documentation. The documentation recommends that we use it in the form of {{Draft article|name=foo}}, but it only works if you use the name as the first positional argument like this: {{Draft article|foo}}. I believe this is because the relevant part of the template code only calls out {{{1|}}} instead of {{{name|}}}. I attempted to make a change to resolve the problem but it didn't quite work, probably because it's been years since I've edited templates and I've forgotten the syntax. Could someone else take a look at it?

The documentation doesn't list a |name= parameter, so I don't see what needs fixing. Primefac (talk) 19:12, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wow. My brain must have inserted that in there. Re-reading it more carefully, I'm clearly wrong. Thanks, disregard this request. —⁠ScottyWong⁠— 20:18, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've adjusted the documentation to help prevent that confusion. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 20:19, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No worries! Been doing that a lot lately myself. Always glad when it's a simple solution. Primefac (talk) 20:19, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Template-protected edit request on 13 May 2022

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Change

per Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 May 6#Category:Drafts about video games. - Qwerfjkl talk 15:49, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Given the naming convention of all the other draft categories for the other subjects, shouldn't this technically reverse merge Category:Drafts on video games to Category Drafts about video games, not the other way around? - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:29, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Favre1fan93, There's a mix at Category:Draft articles on media. ― Qwerfjkl talk 16:38, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Done, except I changed it to the existing category “Draft articles on video games” Zsinj^Talk 17:51, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Template-protected edit request on 21 May 2023

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Implementation of the changes in this edit of the sandbox that adds additional switch parameters to auto-populate the categories Category:Draft articles on films and Category:Draft articles on television with this template. Both subjects have a large amount of drafts that it is worth diffusing the encompassing "media" category they are generally put in at the moment. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:19, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Do the examples on the [testcases page] look okay to you? P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 16:35, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Paine Ellsworth: Fixed. It was a curly bracket issue when I restored the positioning of the includeonly tags. The relevant code to add to the category switch cases are |film|films=Draft articles on films and |television|tv=Draft articles on television. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:16, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done Primefac (talk) 18:41, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! - Favre1fan93 (talk) 02:35, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Add publish now button

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WP:DRAFTMOVE says that creators have two options when they're finished drafting: move it to mainspace directly (if they can and are allowed to), but this and related templates present only the second option. I believe adding a "publish now" button to bring this template in line with existing policy should be uncontroversial, and have sandboxed the changes here. The only thing I couldn't figure out is using wpNewTitleNs=0 to auto-select the article namespace; any help with that would be appreciated. – Joe (talk) 15:05, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've edited the sandbox to use wpNewTitle={{urlencode:{{PAGENAME}}}} instead of wpNewTitleNs=0, since PAGENAME doesn't include the namespace prefix unlike FULLPAGENAME. That should work. SilverLocust 💬 20:17, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Joe Roe: Since moving requires (auto)confirmed, do you think this button should appear to users who aren't autoconfirmed? It can be surrounded with {{If autoconfirmed|_}} to avoid that, but that would also hide the button from the relatively few users who are manually confirmed. SilverLocust 💬 20:28, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@SilverLocust: Yes that would be a good idea. And thanks for fixing the namespace thing. – Joe (talk) 08:51, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If someone wanted to move a draft into the mainspace, they would go to the dropdown menu and hit "move" just as they would normally do for a regular page. The AfC button is only there to assist inexperienced users who don't know how to move a page, let alone judge whether a draft meets our quality and notability standards. InfiniteNexus (talk) 23:33, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not knowing how to move a page ≠ not allowed to create articles directly. – Joe (talk) 08:48, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think this is just going to encourage inexperienced users to circumvent the AfC process and move half-baked articles to the mainspace. Yes, we have page reviewers patrolling new pages, but this just adds to their (already huge) backlog. AfC reviewers are here for this reason, to offset new page patrollers' workload. And I don't think it was appropriate for a substantial edit request to be implemented when there has been valid opposition. InfiniteNexus (talk) 06:07, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have no opinion on the request itself but since it has been contested I have reverted the recent change. Please discuss further. Primefac (talk) 08:40, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Primefac: What are we supposed to discuss? @InfiniteNexus: If you object to the current consensus that AfC is optional for editors without a COI (and thus can't be meaningfully "circumvented"), you should do so at a suitable policy forum, not on a template take page. – Joe (talk) 08:44, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't object to the wording of WP:DRAFTMOVE, I objected to discouraging inexperienced users from using AfC by prominently displaying a button to Special:MovePage that can be already reached by clicking on another button if you know where to find it. As for what we are "supposed to discuss", surely you are familiar with the concept of WP:BRD? (Yes, it's optional, but it's still good advice.) InfiniteNexus (talk) 16:27, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Showing both options doesn't discourage one of them from being used. On the contrary, having a button in the template highlighting only one of the options implies that the other one should not be used (or might even be considered circumventing some procedural requirement). Even a pretty experienced editor who is familiar with page moving may nonetheless think that the draft should not be published without submitting it to AfC based on the template's instructions. SilverLocust 💬 18:00, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's really very simple: the current wording of this template presents users with one option (Finished drafting? Submit for review!). But according to WP:DRAFTMOVE, they have two (use the page move function or optionally, [submit] for review). Templates and interface messages should reflect the consensus in written guidelines, not the other way around, and in this case that means both options should be there, or neither should (you can also make an AfC submission by clicking on another button if you know where to find it). You are perfectly welcome to make the argument that inexperienced users ought to be guided towards AfC, but that is not the current consensus and therefore I see nothing to discuss here, and no reason that your non-policy-based objection should be blocking this change nearly two weeks after it was proposed. – Joe (talk) 18:34, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have an issue with adding the option to publish. If I am following this correctly, the Publish button will only show up for autoconfirmed accounts who have gained the Move function which is one the main purposes of the autoconfirmed right. I do have a question though, @Joe Roe. When someone clicks Publish, where does it take you? Is it like this? If so, it might be a good idea to add a little note underneath or above 'Publish now' to instruct them to select (Article) so they don't select Wikipedia or another namespace. S0091 (talk) 15:43, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The button pre-selects the Article space; see for example at the sandbox version. Primefac (talk) 15:47, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Primefac. That takes care of my concern. I've seen many new editors understandably select Wikipedia. S0091 (talk) 16:02, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How about restricting the button to extended confirmed users only? InfiniteNexus (talk) 18:52, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What purpose would this serve? Primefac (talk) 19:00, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That doesn't makes sense. An autoconfirmed editor can create an article directly in mainspace so why would not we not offer a button so they, or extended confirmed editors for that matter, can more easily move a draft to mainspace? I think you disagreement is more so with criteria for the autoconfirmed right but that's a different discussion. 19:02, 24 April 2024 (UTC) S0091 (talk) 19:02, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) Editors seem to be in agreement that inexperienced users should be encouraged to go through AfC rather than moving unilaterally. I'm trying to find middle ground here. InfiniteNexus (talk) 19:03, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Consensus is non-autoconfirmed editors need to go through AfC. Autoconfirmed editors are able and free to do almost everything an extended confirmed can. S0091 (talk) 19:09, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

An acceptable compromise might be adding some additional guidance to the template for newer editors. Think about it. I have a couple ideas but it's a separate discussion from the button. S0091 (talk) 19:32, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Editors^[who?] – Joe (talk) 11:30, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just noting for the record that discussion has continued and no significant argument has been raised as to why the second button should be kept off, so I have reinstated the original edit. Primefac (talk) 19:10, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Suppress only one button

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With the addition of the "Publish now" button, the "noafc" option suppresses both buttons. Can we add options to suppress each one individually, or at least to suppress the new one and leave the "Submit for review" button. The use case for this is when a restored PROD or soft delete is immediately draftified, the draft should optimally be reviewed to ensure the issues raised in the PROD/AFD were addressed before it is brought back into main article space. Suppressing the "publish now" button would help ensure that happens. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:23, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Am I going crazy, or do the buttons not appear at all? Primefac (talk) 12:45, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see them on Draft:Amberstudent. Where are you looking? - UtherSRG (talk) 12:52, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Everywhere else. Must be misreading the namespace detection, but I thought the buttons showed up in all namespaces except article. Primefac (talk) 13:24, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@UtherSRG In the interim, you can use {{AfC submission|T}} which is the AfC banner. Primefac, double check me, but the buttons do not show at all in User space. However, I don't know if it was like that before. See User:S0091/sandbox. S0091 (talk) 14:53, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I could have sworn I saw them in the user space before the last update... however I reinstated the old version into the sandbox and I'm not seeing it on your sandbox. Primefac (talk) 14:56, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

UtherSRG, my understanding of the |noafc= is for pages like Draft:Wilson Fisk (Marvel Cinematic Universe) where people don't want to submit to AFC, it removes that option. In other words, adding the new button didn't change any of the functionality that previously existed (i.e. your use case works with either version old/new of this template). I'm not sure if it makes sense to remove the "drafting" option but leaving the "move" button (while I disagree with the "requirement" part of InfiniteNexus' opinions above, I do agree that inadvertently removing the AFC route while promoting a move from this template is not ideal). Primefac (talk) 15:01, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What about adding an option to suppress the Publish now button, so three button options: both (default), none (noafc), Submit for review (afc)? S0091 (talk) 15:32, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not opposed to that. Will wait for other opinions. Disabling TPER in the meantime. Primefac (talk) 15:34, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This falls within the parameters of what I asked for, so I support this notion. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:35, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea, I agree. (afc) should be used for creations by editors with a COI, for example. – Joe (talk) 11:29, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template updated; |nomove=yes will hide the second button. Primefac (talk) 11:55, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks y'all! - UtherSRG (talk) 17:18, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

subject parameter

Should this parameter accept more general arguments, like {{template:draft topics}}? Tule-hog (talk) 08:31, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Adding an NPP note

Since the MoveToDraft script now uses this by default, I think we should add the parameter |NPP=yes, which would add a new second sentence, after the current first sentence: "This article was moved here as part of the new pages patrol process." This way, article creators know how their article ended up as a draft. Toadspike [Talk] 21:25, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

While I'm fine with the proposed parameter, there are those of use who use MTD to move unacceptable pages to draft outside of the formal NPP process. Maybe make the wording more generic? - UtherSRG (talk) 22:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template-protected edit request on 8 December 2024

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Change:

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to:

|main={{if preview|{{Error|Do not use {{tl|Draft article}} in mainspace}}|}}[[Category:Template Draft article in article]]

in order to put articles that use this template in mainspace in a category per Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)/Archive 217#Add_new_category:_articles_in_mainspace_that_contain_template_"Draft_article" which will then be dealt with by TolBot, which already deletes {{Draft categories}} from mainspace articles. Thank you! Polygnotus (talk) 08:58, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Have you actually discussed this with Tol? This seems like it shouldn't be necessary as Special:WhatLinksHere already provides the same information. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:40, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe

: editor Polygnotus, the category, Template Draft article in article, does not yet exist. At this stage it would help if editor Ahecht, who took part in that archived discussion linked above, would come and help us massage this idea. We see at User talk:Tol/Archives/2024/12#TolBot that you did discuss this with Tol, who promised to look into it soon, and you told him of this edit request. Is this edit what the TolBot needs to be able to do this job? P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 08:33, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My only comment was that adding a category for the purposes of a single bot is usually an unnecessary step, but if that's the only way to make this work, or if there is another valid use for the category, I have no specific objections to this implementation. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 12:53, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now: It looks like there might be a consensus for this change, but there is still a lot of work to be done to actually make the implementation work. Editing the template should be the last thing in the process so that everything starts working immediately (avoiding disruption). Primefac (talk) 10:20, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Pppery, Paine Ellsworth, and Primefac: A belated merry Christmas and all that. I have discussed this with Tol; thanks to Paine Ellsworth for linking it above. And I agree it isn't strictly necessary to have a category, but there are many such categories that are not strictly necessary and could be replaced with a WhatLinksHere search. It is more consistent with {{AfC submission}} to use a category, more userfriendly than a WhatLinksHere search and, imo, more elegant. I asked @Ahecht: if there were any downsides but they did not list any. I figured that, since this task is related to meta:User:TolBot/Task 4 it would make sense to have TolBot do it and it could use the same category-based approach instead of reinventing the wheel. I figured it would be a waste of time to go through BRFA for such a simple task that can easily be done by an existing bot. I am no expert in this area and y'all are so please let me know what the best way to achieve this is. I think we all agree that {{Draft article}} (and the redirects to it) should not be on mainspace articles. Polygnotus (talk) 15:07, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to hear from Tol; if a category is the easiest way to deal with this issue, then we can do that, but if they say that a simple WhatLinks is just as viable, then the category does not need to be created. If we do go the latter route, the category still needs to come first otherwise there will be redlinked categories in mainspace, which is not allowed. As a minor note, Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/TolBot 4 is the enWiki BRFA for the bot task; it is not hosted on meta. Primefac (talk) 15:16, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can we pick a better name for the category? Category:Template Draft article in article isn't super clear to me what is supposed to be in this category or why. Maybe improve the name to something like Category:Mainspace articles tagged as drafts? –Novem Linguae (talk) 19:16, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea. Polygnotus (talk) 19:18, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Polygnotus: My apologies for the delay. I don't think the category should be necessary for the bot; as @Pppery and @Primefac noted, a query for pages transcluding the template should be sufficient. I'll probably start testing the bot within the week. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 00:38, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Swami Brahmananda Saraswati Maharaj

Swami Brahmanand Saraswati was born Richmond Gladyn Amissah-Arthur on 11th August 1969, the first of five children born to the late Joseph Brookman Amissah-Arthur and Mrs. Mary Amissah-Arthur, both of Cape Coast. His siblings are Dr. J.B. Amissah-Arthur, former Chief Executive Officer of Saatchi & Saatchi Ghana and Lecturer at the University of Ghana; Mr. Brandford Parker Amissah-Arthur, a Medical Engineering Consultant; D.O. II Amissah-Arthur, Divisional Commander of the Ghana National Fire Service and Dr. (Mrs) Hannah Darko-Mintah, Lecturer at the University of Cape Coast. Education Swami Brahmanand attended Academy of Christ the King in Cape Coast for his secondary education. He holds a Teacher’s Certificate ‘A’ from Komenda College of Education (1997); Diploma in Education from the University of Cape Coast (2005); and Bachelor of Education degree, also from the University of Cape Coast (2007). He was preparing to enrol for his Master of Philosophy degree in Education, when he received the call from his Guru, Swami Ghananand Saraswati. We shall speak about that fateful call later in this piece. Spiritual Awakening Long before his official renunciation and initiation into Brahmacharya, Swami Brahmanand was already a renunciate, a strict adherent to the tenets of celibacy. His spirituality and rejection of the mundane life was puzzling to many. People could simply not understand why a strong, virile, well-educated, economically-sound, professional young man in his prime should choose a life of ascetism. But he had the strong backing of his father, mother and siblings for his chosen way of life. His family saw it as his dharma, and encouraged him on his journey towards self-realisation. At home, he dedicated his life to a regimented spiritual practice; a disciplined sadhana; a strict programmatic life of scheduled meditations, fasting, service, seclusion, celibacy, asanas, pranayama and dietary discipline. His spiritual maturity emerged at home through his personal practice, long before he became Brahmacharya on 1st March, 2008.

Providentiality and Early Influences To understand the events of Swami’s spiritual life, one needs to go back 45 years to 1980. This was when an 11-year old Brahmanand met his future Guru, Swami Ghananand in Cape Coast. In 1981, Guruji chose Brahmanand’s grandfather’s house as his place of residence in Cape Coast. Swami Ghananand stayed in this house for an unprecedented six months teaching new devotees and planting the Cape Coast branch of the Monastery. The very first 31st December All-Night Puja in Cape Coast was held in this house. The very last satsang to be held before the commissioning of the Shiva Temple in Cape Coast was also held in this house. For the six months that Swami Ghananand stayed in Swami Brahmanand’s grandfather’s house, the place became the epicentre of Hinduism from where Guruji’s influence spread throughout Cape Coast, Elmina and the Central Region. The spirituality that engulfed the household was not lost on the 12-year old Brahmanand. He was often found at night among the elders sitting at the feet of Swami Ghananand listening intently to the teachings of Guruji. These early influences were so great that when the adults left for work, the young Brahmanand would organise satsang with his younger siblings, JB and Parker, who were 9 and 6 year old respectively at the time. Together, the three children would obtain bananas and oranges from their great-grandmother and use them as prasad for their satsang. Interestingly, when they could not obtain any fruits, the children would buy bankye kakrow (egbele kaklow) and use it for prasad. During these childhood satsangs, the young Brahmanand would play the “Swami,” preaching and performing arati. He quickly learnt many of the bhajans, kirtans and mantras from his mother’s copy of the Universal Vedic Hymns and Prayers. As he grew up, he developed a fascination for his mother’s rudraksha rosary. That rosary got missing very often. And each time it was discovered, the young Brahmanand had gone to a secret hiding place to pray with it. He was 13 years by then. These were the unconscious first steps on an incredible spiritual journey that would lead from his grandfather’s house to the ashram of Swami Ghananand. It has taken him 45 long years—seventeen years of which he served as Brahmachari. Perhaps, all this should not be so surprising. Guruji had once prophesied to the venerable Mr. John Arthur, the young Brahmanand’s grandfather that: “Somebody from your household will become a great Swami one day.” At the time, nobody knew what Guruji was talking about; nobody understood the statement. Forty-five years later, we do. The Call to Brahmacharya It started with an urgent phone call. Swami Ghananand was on the line. The instruction was concise, direct and puzzling: “Come to Accra at once.” Swami Brahmanand, then a young teacher of 39 years, was confused. He asked himself: “What may I have done wrong to be summoned to Accra by Guruji?” He was perplexed. This was the morning of 28th February, 2008. He told his parents that he had been called to Accra and would return to Cape Coast the very day, because he had a lot of work to do in school. That was the last time he would ever see his home again. He never returned home. He didn’t even get the chance to say good bye to his mother or father or siblings or students or employers. In Accra, Guruji asked him to be a Brahmachari. It was sudden, abrupt and unexpected. He asked for permission to go home and bid his mother and father good bye, but Guruji made it clear that if departed from the ashram, he had nullified the call. Can you imagine the emotional and mental trauma he must have gone through? The agony? The anguish? He left his father, mother, siblings, students, friends. He left his job, assets, bank accounts, investments, possessions, fridges, electronic gadgets, clothing. He left his career ambitions and plans to go back to school for his Master’s degree. He even left his name and identity. He left everything that was dear to him, never to return to them. It was a sharp, ruthless break with the past. Guru-Shishya Parampara: Life with Guruji Swami Brahmanand’s life under his Guru, Swami Ghananand, was a life of continuous learning, service and spiritual evolution. There was the daily routine of meditations and rituals which started at 3am and ended at 6am. After that, there was Vedanta school sessions with Guruji where Guruji imparted advanced teachings of scripture, ritual and mysticism to him. There were practical sessions where Brahmanand had to demonstrate to Guruji his expertise at grasping the lessons. It was not all spirituality, though. The student had to serve the master in all forms. This involved personal services such as laundering, cooking, grooming, feeding, attending to Guruji’s health needs. At the same time, he was cleaning and maintaining the sanctity of all the altars and temples of the Ashram. As a Brahmachari, Swami Brahmananda was a tireless workaholic. From 3am to 11pm, he was on his feet serving his Guru, serving the Ashram, serving devotees and learning both spiritual and human lessons from all these interactions. His spiritual training under Swami Ghananand involved a lot of travelling to sacred sites and temples in India. For instance, they made frequent pilgrimages to Haridwar, Rishikesh, Ayodhya, Vrindavan, the Ganges River, the Yamuna River, the caves of the Himalayas and many other sacred sites. At all these places, many of the Masters they encountered asked Swami Ghananand to initiate Swami Brahmanand into sannyasa. Guruji always replied that he wanted to toughen him up a little more. When Swami Ghananand realised that his time on earth was approaching, he entrusted the continuation of Swami’s Brahmanand’s spiritual training to two great friends and enlightened masters: Swami Gopal Sharan Devacharya, the Founding Acharya of the Shri Golok Dham Ashram, and Swami Vishnu Vallabanand of Haridwar. Under the two masters, Swami Brahmanand continued his Sannyasa training in India. In 2022, he spent time at their various ashrams studying ashram management and the required teachings for Sannyasa. He then attended Vedanta School at the sacred Triveni Ghat in Rishikesh under Swamis who were specialists in Vedanta. Because Swami Brahmanand comes from the Dashanami Sampradaya lineage of Adi Shankara, he had to learn the teachings and tenets of the lineage. He, therefore, attended Sivananda Yoga Vedanta Centre, Sivananda Kutir in the Himalayas. There, he studied advanced forms of Karma Yoga, Bhakti Yoga, Raja Yoga and Jnana Yoga. Here, he studied Vedanta and complex processes including yamas (ethical behaviour), niyamas (mind control), asana (body control), pranayama (breath control), pratyahara (control of the 5 senses), dharana (concentration), dhyana (meditation) and samadhi (how to attain the super-conscious state). In addition, he studied the science of vegetarian dieting (lacto-vegetarianism). The Sivananda Kutir is a particularly auspicious place to study because it is the home of the Saraswati Order of Sannyasis. It was established by Swami Vishnu Devananda who was the guru to Swami Krishnanand Saraswati who was guru to Swami Ghananand Saraswati who is guru to Swami Brahmanand Saraswati. Swami Devananda himself named the Centre after his own guru, the famous Swami Sivananda Saraswati. What this means is that Swami Brahmanand’s spiritual training followed the footsteps of 4 generations of ancestral Saraswati gurus. This furnished him with the values, principles and philosophies of the ancient Saraswati Order. This is the importance of Guru-Shishya Parampara, where the student studies the traditions of his own lineage, in order to protect the integrity of its teachings and preserve the authentic way of doing things. From the Sivananda Kutir in the Himalayas, Swami Brahmanand returned to Haridwar to complete his studies of the Shankara Vedanta. Ordination to Sannyasa The rituals towards the induction of Swami into the Holy Order of Sannyasa started in India in 2022 during his last visit. Most of the elaborate rituals required for his initiation into the Holy Order were performed under the supervision of Swami Gopal Devacharya and Swami Vishnuvallabanand at the banks of the holy Ganges River and at the Ashram. His ordination marks the culmination of 17 long years painful, heartbreaking sacrifices, sadhana, studies and service.

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