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American historians and diffusion

• Copying a post from Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_History#American_historians_and_diffusion - please comment there. Johnbod (talk) 01:33, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Category:American historians is marked for diffusion and until earlier today, several subcategories by topic (altho not all), such as Category:American art historians were marked as non-diffusing. Obviously, this is a contradiction. I started out by taking the non-diffusing categories and putting them in the parent category and received some feedback questioning it. I have since removed the parent category and the non-diffusing tags (adding them back would be trivial, of course). I suggested that an alternate scheme for diffusing the parent Category:American historians may be by state and made a couple of these categories as a start: Category:Historians from California and Category:Historians from Pennsylvania. I am offering two questions to this WikiProject:

1. Should subtopic categories of Category:American historians be marked as non-diffusing?
2. Should Category:American historians be diffused by state?

@Johnbod:, @Philafrenzy:, who posted to my talk. Please {{Ping}} me if you need me directly for this conversation. Note that I will happily edit the categories however the community decides but that at the moment, Category:American historians is diffused by topic as it was 24 hours ago and there are only the two categories by state which I am not populating until I get more feedback. I will continue diffusing Category:American historians by century, which is a pre-existing scheme. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:26, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

I don't have a strong opinion on (1), but my answer to (2), the proposed by-state categorization, is a strong oppose. There is no significant difference in their approach to history that falls along state lines (except for the small fraction of historians whose interest is purely local, who should be categorized according to where their interests lie not where they are actually from), so the proposed subdivision would be a non-notable intersection and a non-defining categorization. —David Eppstein (talk) 20:00, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

Categorization by state is inappropriate for reasons above. Would you have similar for other countries? US-centric suggestion. Xxanthippe (talk) 22:35, 3 September 2017 (UTC).

Sorry, I was copying a post from Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_History#American_historians_and_diffusion, and should have linked to that to keep everything in one place. I will copy these comments there - please add any more there too. Johnbod (talk) 01:33, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Request for comments on peer review

Hi, I've listed Lilias Armstrong (early 20th century British phonetician) for a peer review and would appreciate any feedback. Thanks in advance! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Peer_review/Lilias_Armstrong/archive1

Umimmak (talk) 21:27, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

Selecting a professor's "most significant works/articles"?

When an academic has authored hundreds of journal articles how does one go about selecting a number of "significant articles" for a "selected works" list in the biography article? How does one even define "significance"? Karin Muraszko's Google Scholar profile lists over 200 articles, she has an h-index of 38 and her articles have been cited almost 7000 times. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 21:56, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Go for the highest cited works to start with, although better accuracy will require an expert knowledge of the field. Xxanthippe (talk) 22:42, 7 October 2017 (UTC).

Thanks, I've asked WikiProject Medicine for assistance. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:15, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

S. M. Imamul Huq - becoming too promotional

See S. M. Imamul Huq (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). I don't know what to do about this. The editor doing this seems to be someone called M Abu Sayeed if I can trust Google translate, and that would give him a COI with several of the articles he's edited. Doug Weller talk 11:19, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

Leonid Berlyand

Was wondering if someone would mind assessing Leonid Berlyand? It was just created and it's largely unsourced; it's also not clear how this person meets WP:GNG or WP:PROF. Just for reference, I stumbled upon this via the user talk page of Theroadislong. I have done some minor clean up/formatting, etc., and Googled "Leonid Berlyand" looking for more sources, but all that seemed to pop up is stuff typically not considered WP:SIGCOV to meet GNG. I'm not really too familiar with how academics are typically assessed for Wikipedia notability, so I'd figure I'd ask here for input. Thanks in advance. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:39, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

Updating articles for MSK executives

I've been working on researching, updating, and expanding the articles for Craig B. Thompson, José Baselga, and Joan Massagué Solé, but I've been having trouble gaining any traction on their respective talk pages. Would anyone here be willing to look over some of my proposed changes? I've got their respective sandboxes here: Thompson, Baselga, Massagué. Thanks!--FacultiesIntact (talk) 00:52, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Request for assessment

William Matthews (priest) is currently nominated for Featured article status. It is not currently assessed for importance for this wikiproject. Could someone please assess it so as to smoothly proceed through the FA process? Ergo Sum 21:52, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

I'm not sure why this is needed, but done. RockMagnetist(talk) 01:43, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Vincent P. Richards

Another editor declined the draft article Draft:Vincent P. Richards as non-notable. I am tempted to agree, but I would appreciate it if someone else could look at the draft. The subject is an assistant professor, and Google Scholar lists 766 citations, an h-index of 16 and an i10-index of 18. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 03:51, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Arthur Gobineau

Members of this project may be interested in this discussion. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:53, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Donald Chakeres, M.D.

Could someone please look at Draft:Donald Chakeres, M.D. He is a full professor at Ohio State University and the list of papers at his page at Google Scholar is impressive, but another editor declined the submission. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 02:31, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

looking at some past items here, I undeleted and revised it, and am about to move it into mainspace. DGG ( talk ) 06:08, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Linda Shapiro

The article Linda Shapiro has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

I don't believe that Professor Shapiro meets the basic notability guideline, of having "received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." I looked through the top 50 G-Hits for "professor Linda Shapiro" and quickly realized that there are multiple subjects, found no independent reliable sources providing coverage, and got to the point where the three words were each appearing separately in the article instead of together.

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion.  ★  Bigr Tex 02:58, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

for the record, she's an IEEEFellow and therefore unquestionably notable. DGG ( talk ) 06:10, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

William Tasman

While recent changes patrolling, I came across this article on William Tasman, created by a new user and single purpose account. Normally I only review clean cut vandalism, so I wasn't exactly sure what to do with this. Appears to be a good faith attempt to add an article, but there have been a few problems. (Initially was unsourced, continues to upload non-free images to commons, etc.) Also, it appears there's now a sock as another single purpose account is involved. I thought perhaps someone from the project who is more familiar with notability requirements might want to take a look. Thanks.--Policy Reformer(c) 17:20, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

I think he probably gets over the notability bar for academics. His death was covered in a few places, like medical journals and philly.com. He doesn't have a Google Scholar profile, but a search suggests that several of his papers have been cited >100 times (though he was the first author of only a small number of them). He was the president of a couple of national ophthalmology organizations, which I think also speaks to his influence but may not help directly under WP:PROF. I do notice that a couple of sections seem closely paraphrased from an obituary. EricEnfermero (Talk) 03:18, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

This is why I brought this here. Didn't even think to check Google Scholar. Thanks for taking a look.--Policy Reformer(c) 03:45, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Hello Policy Reformer and EricEnfermero, Eric, thanks for taking the time to look into this, I really appreciate it. Also, did you have any concerns about it being impartial, or are there any aspects that need to be changed. I am interested in which part of the article you believe was paraphrased. I did not copy anything directly, but if I could strengthen the article by fixing any problems, I would love to do so. Also, Policy Reformer, would it be ok if I now remove the notability thing, and the citing things, or do I still need to wait. - SCtheeditor(c) 06:20, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

I'm in the process of rewriting it for NPOV. He's clearly notable as president of major professional association in his field,plus professional journal obit, plus ed. of major works in the field, but the article was over-personal, and not at all in our usual style. DGG ( talk ) 06:13, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

RFC at William Matthews peer review

There is a peer review open about William Matthews. He was a major figure in the establishment of the Catholic Church in Washington, D.C. I am preparing the article for FA nomination and would very much appreciate any input. Ergo Sum 02:17, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Help on Sources for Draft:Ann Patricia Bowling

Hi, I've been trying to help AnnQoLAge work on Draft:Ann Patricia Bowling within the bounds of WP:BLP, and based on Wikipedia talk:Notability_(academics) I feel confident she is notable enough per WP:PROF, but there are 2 outstanding honors I'm having trouble citing:

• "In July 2006, Bowling was elected Fellow of the Faculty of Public Health, of the Royal College of Physicians of the United Kingdom.
• Measuring healthwon Highly Commended in the Basis of Medicine section in the 1998 British Medical Association Medical Book Competition.

She was able to get emails from both institutions confirming that she did receive those awards, but I know those aren't citable. FFPH say they don't list people's names online, and the BMH says they don't have online records of their book awards from back in 1998. At this point, I'm looking for help figuring out where to keep searching for confirmation, or some indication if this article is ok to publish with those citations outstanding, or maybe I could even publish it without mentioning that information? Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask. -Furicorn (talk) 03:15, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Creating an article for Jeffrey Drebin

I've been working on creating a new article for a Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center doctor Jeffrey Drebin. I have a paid COI with MSK to do so, and I'm looking for collaborators to help me review my draft to ensure it's compliant with Wikipedia's guidelines, as well as further improve the article wherever it can be. Does anyone here have a minute to look at my draft?--FacultiesIntact (talk) 19:58, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Arjun Kumar Gupta

Does the article Arjun Kumar Gupta meet notability requirements? The only thing that seems to be a claim of notability is "1989 he was elected as a Fellow of the American Statistical Association". TJRC (talk) 01:44, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

RfC on Featured Article nomination

I have nominated William Matthews (priest) for Featured Article status, and it is currently under review here. The article failed once before for failure to generate enough comments. I believe it is very close to FA, and meets all the criteria. Any further input would be greatly appreciated. Ergo Sum 04:53, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Yaman Yener

I came across this draft while reviewing new pages submitted via WP:AFC. The article is terrible & full for 'cruft, but the subject appears to be notable. If there's anyone here interested in taking a look and possibly rescuing this page, that would be great. --K.e.coffman (talk) 00:35, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Entry on the late Pamela Sue Anderson (PSA for short)

Wikipedia entry on PSA is extremely basic and, in it, there is the warning that it should be erased if nobody adds relevant information to it. I believe that, while PSA was an Oxford academic from 2001 until her death last year, she was concerned with important subjects (such as whether female students are at a disadvantage vis-à-vis male colleagues). In addition, she specialized in continental philosophers (such as hermeneuts like French P. Ricoeur and German H.-G. Gadamer) at a time when Oxford largely ignored them. Lastly, PSA knew, and was known by, leading feminist thinkers in both Europe and her native North America. In short, I believe she does deserve to be mentioned in Wikipedia. I cannot do much to avoid that her current stub entry be removed, because I have no experience about editing Wikepedia entries, and Wikipedia ways look to me fiendishly hard to learn due to hyper-detailed instructions to be heeded, while I surely lack the time to learn them. My contribution is a section I've inserted in the talk page of the PSA entry where I have copied a number of URLs carrying information on PSA's life and academic views -- just in case someone feels like drafting a more substantial entry.Hdjf3 (talk) 15:20, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Neil Degrasse Tyson

There is an ongoing discussion that may be of interest to the members of this board at Talk:Neil_deGrasse_Tyson#Text_proposals ResultingConstant (talk) 18:12, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia, the final frontier

This has been going on for awhile, now, & I'm out of ideas. Can anybody address it? Joe Kittinger ^{I'll be right back} 02:41, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

I've semiprotected it for a while, probably in WP:THEWRONGVERSION. Also, I can see the earth from my back yard! Just not as much of it as you would see from orbit. —David Eppstein (talk) 02:59, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Amnon Pazy

Would someone from this taskforce mind taking a look at this article and assessing it? It was created by someone hired by Pazy's family and it was not submitted for review via WP:AFC. I've done a bit of minor clean up, but there's still some issues that need sorting, particularly with respect to the sourcing (it seems that most of them are to documents, etc. uploaded to Commons). I'm assuming the subject meets WP:ACADEMIC and is notable for an article to be written, but some serious trimming/rewriting might be needed to bring the article more inline with current policies and guidelines. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:08, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Peer review request: Ruby Payne-Scott

Hello! I've added a bunch of content and references to Ruby Payne-Scott, and have also created a peer review request. This is my first time trying my hand at rewriting an article and I'd very much appreciate experienced editors to review. Thanks! ␄ –Iknowyourider (t c) 03:53, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

RfC on Bruno Bettelheim article

Bettelheim was director of a residential school for children and teenagers at the University of Chicago from 1944 to '73, and also a professor there. He wrote the books The Empty Fortress (1967) and The Uses of Enchantment (1976).

Arguably, after his death in 1990, he was discredited in several ways, and that is the crux of the matter.

You are invited to a Request for Comment entitled 'RfC: how to cover someone who doesn't have credentials for their field?'

The specific question is: 'Should our lead sentence describe Bettelheim as a "child psychologist"?'

Talk:Bruno Bettelheim#rfc_7DDF8CC

If this topic interests you, your participation is of course very welcome. Thanks. FriendlyRiverOtter (talk) 20:31, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Christopher Kaelin up for deletion

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• Christopher Kaelin (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs|google) AfD discussion

IMO, well sourced article about a geneticist. But you can help improve it. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:51, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

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Article on Edwin Chapman

Hello, I am attempting to get a biography page for Dr. Edwin Chapman accepted. This is my first attempt at putting together a Wikipedia page. I submitted a version in April and was rejected for lack of citations. I rewrote the entry including as many citations as possible, I would really appreciate any feedback. The article hasn't been re-reviewed since the original rejection in April. Is this typical? (about 5 months wait?) Is there anything that I can do to facilitate getting this bio published?

Appreciate your feedback!

128.104.21.134 (talk) 16:22, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for the post. Unfortunately, there's a backlog of drafts awaiting review at the moment (although your wait was certainly on the long end). Edwin Chapman is clearly notable (per WP:NPROF) and so I've moved the page to mainspace. You can find it and further improve it at Edwin Chapman. Thanks for your work on the page! I hope you decide to stick around! Ajpolino (talk) 18:14, 10 September 2019 (UTC)