Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 May 16
May 16
Category:Stingray Digital radio stations
- Propose renaming Category:Stingray Digital radio stations to Category:Stingray Group radio stations
- Nominator's rationale: reflect current company name ViperSnake151 Talk 22:59, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
Category:Amusement rides introduced in 2020
- Propose deleting:
- Nominator's rationale: It can't have been introduced in 2020, we're not there yet! Ditto Category:Amusement rides introduced in 2021. Proposed to open in... might work. Doug Weller talk 18:36, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
- Delete both. I created both just to fill redlinks in Special:WantedCategories, but I entirely agree with Doug Weller. WP:NOTCRYSTALBALL etc. If these things are actually opened in the relevant year, then add them to the appropriate category ... but we don't yet know whether the plans will be fulfilled. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:41, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
- Keep 2020/Delete 2021 WP:CRYSTALBALL makes an exception for events that are in planning and likely to happen: the 2020 rides are all started and expected to open in early spring for the summer rush. The naming is certainly a little awkward for a future event but i don't think the maintenance of flipping that back is worth it. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:46, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Marcocapelle (talk) 19:38, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Marcocapelle (talk) 19:38, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
NAIA Men's Basketball Tournaments
- Category:NAIA Division I Men's Basketball Tournaments
- Category:NAIA Division II Men's Basketball Tournaments
- Upmerge both into Category:NAIA Men's Basketball Championship. It doesn't serve the readers any benefit to break out the 28-year time period where the NAIA had divisional classifications for their men's basketball tournaments. By upmerging the articles into the parent category, all tournaments' articles will be in a centralized location, then delete the two child categories. I will also be moving the 1937 through 1991 tournament articles to remove the "Division I" since there weren't divisional classifications during those years. SportsGuy789 (talk) 17:05, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
- Comment, I left a notice at WikiProject Basketball, perhaps this will attract more editors to this discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:38, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
- FWIW, I was the creator of one of those two categories, following suit from an editor who was later deemed controversial with his category creations, so I am hoping these can be speedy-upmerged. SportsGuy789 (talk) 15:09, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 17:05, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 17:05, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
Category:Bosnian dynasties
- Propose merging Category:Bosnian dynasties to Category:Bosnian noble families
- Nominator's rationale: merge, overlapping scope, this dynasties category contains noble families just like the noble families category does. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:10, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
- I am OK with whatever decisions you reach here. Like all other English wikipedia instances of this small country history, Cat's too are often messy and disorganized, so following points could influence how you are going to think about the issue: category "Bosnian noble families" refer to dynasties of medieval Bosnia, which exclusively covers articles on subjects associated to particular era and particular culture. It doesn't include any other period in country's history - Bosnian nobility of the Ottoman period, period of Austria-Hungary, 20th century period families without noble pedigree, etc. Cat above this one, "Bosnian nobility", is still too specific and it includes only "noble" pedigree families. There are few separate categories at "Bosnian noble families" level, such as "Ottoman nobility" and "Medieval Bosnian nobility", both from different era and culture, and these are subcat's of "Bosnian nobility" and "Bosnia and Herzegovina nobility". It's a mess, so the idea was to sort things out and turn "Bosnian dynasties" into very top Cat in the hierarchy of Bosnian families regardless of era and/or culture - this should cover different periods, culture, and different political systems context; pedigree based on inherited "noble" status, or economic and political position, or acquired by mean of wealth; prominent family lines stretching into present times, with or without "noble" pedigree, and so on.---౪ Santa ౪99° 18:59, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
- As the top level we have Category:Bosnia and Herzegovina families and with the current content of that category I cannot envisage how Category:Bosnian dynasties would fit in between. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:02, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
- I should refer you to article Dynasty - Category:Bosnia and Herzegovina families is the top Cat for family in general, but in context of multi-generational exert of power and influence dynasty is the best description and could stand as top category for that context. I checked families included into category "Bosnia and Herzegovina families" and at least three of four families are dynastic and still around (not extinct). I understand that entire string is a bit messy and disorganized, like almost all other dealing with country's history articles (I know now that you nominated "medieval state institution" as well), but it seemed to me as a good idea to differentiate medieval, contemporary, multi-generational, noble, genteel, surviving, extinct, and so on, from one another.--౪ Santa ౪99° 18:16, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
- Well, that could lead to a rename of Category:Bosnia and Herzegovina families to Category:Bosnia and Herzegovina dynasties but that should be discussed in a separate nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:36, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
- I should refer you to article Dynasty - Category:Bosnia and Herzegovina families is the top Cat for family in general, but in context of multi-generational exert of power and influence dynasty is the best description and could stand as top category for that context. I checked families included into category "Bosnia and Herzegovina families" and at least three of four families are dynastic and still around (not extinct). I understand that entire string is a bit messy and disorganized, like almost all other dealing with country's history articles (I know now that you nominated "medieval state institution" as well), but it seemed to me as a good idea to differentiate medieval, contemporary, multi-generational, noble, genteel, surviving, extinct, and so on, from one another.--౪ Santa ౪99° 18:16, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
- As the top level we have Category:Bosnia and Herzegovina families and with the current content of that category I cannot envisage how Category:Bosnian dynasties would fit in between. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:02, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
- I am OK with whatever decisions you reach here. Like all other English wikipedia instances of this small country history, Cat's too are often messy and disorganized, so following points could influence how you are going to think about the issue: category "Bosnian noble families" refer to dynasties of medieval Bosnia, which exclusively covers articles on subjects associated to particular era and particular culture. It doesn't include any other period in country's history - Bosnian nobility of the Ottoman period, period of Austria-Hungary, 20th century period families without noble pedigree, etc. Cat above this one, "Bosnian nobility", is still too specific and it includes only "noble" pedigree families. There are few separate categories at "Bosnian noble families" level, such as "Ottoman nobility" and "Medieval Bosnian nobility", both from different era and culture, and these are subcat's of "Bosnian nobility" and "Bosnia and Herzegovina nobility". It's a mess, so the idea was to sort things out and turn "Bosnian dynasties" into very top Cat in the hierarchy of Bosnian families regardless of era and/or culture - this should cover different periods, culture, and different political systems context; pedigree based on inherited "noble" status, or economic and political position, or acquired by mean of wealth; prominent family lines stretching into present times, with or without "noble" pedigree, and so on.---౪ Santa ౪99° 18:59, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 17:05, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 17:05, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
Category:Portals with titles not starting with a proper noun
- Nominator's rationale: A useless category. Applied to mainspace this would be a huge collection. The inverse of this category "subjects starting with a proper noun" would help us indetify inappropriately narrow topics. I can't see any tracking benefit to this category though. Legacypac (talk) 21:52, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
- Comment - this category may have been part of an (unsuccesfull) attempt to prevent portals saying things like "Do you have a question about Supermarket that you can't find the answer to?". Note: It currently contains things such as Portal:Australian rules football. DexDor (talk) 12:02, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 17:05, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 17:05, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
Category:Men's history
- Nominator's rationale: Pointy trolling. Gamaliel (talk) 16:55, 16 May 2019 (UTC) Gamaliel
- Keep - although its currently underpopulated, there is clearly a sub-structure being built-up. If Category:Women's history is any indication, surely there are plenty more topics and subcategories that should be placed within it. Nom's rationale of "Pointy trolling" would seem to have no basis in evidence. --Netoholic @ 17:15, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
- Delete, there is only one article that really belongs here, Great men theory. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:21, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
Category:Jewish Danish businesspeople
- Nominator's rationale: This category would only make sense to exist as a subcat of Category:Jewish businesspeople, which was deleted per Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2008 July 8#Category:Jewish businesspeople. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 13:58, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
Category:20th century in Santa Barbara, California
- Propose merging Category:20th century in Santa Barbara, California to Category:20th century in California
- Propose deleting Category:Centuries in Santa Barbara, California
- Nominator's rationale: This only contains one member, Royal Lichtenstein Quarter-Ring Sidewalk Circus, which only mentions that the troupe's training base moved to Santa Barbara in 1980; this does not appear to have been WP:DEFINING. – Fayenatic London 10:59, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
Category:Stefanos Tsitsipas
- Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary eponymous category for what amounts to one article. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 02:55, 16 May 2019 (UTC)