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Category:American "faithful slave" monuments and defenders
- Nominator's rationale: I don't see how membership of this category can possibly comply with the requirement that categories are defining, neutral and verifiable. It is a completely made up politically loaded category. Betty Logan (talk) 12:55, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
- Would you please look at Heyward Shepherd monument and see if we can agree that that one meets requirements for this category. deisenbe (talk) 17:56, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and move article Heyward Shepherd monument to Category:Lost Cause of the Confederacy. Even if there were no other valid reasons to delete the category, we would not keep the category because of a single article anyway. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:33, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
Category:Works about technology
- Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:OC. This is lumping together unlike things based on a subjective characterisation. Bondegezou (talk) 10:19, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
Category:Kingman Reef
- Nominator's rationale: Too little content. Main article can be upmerged to Category:United States Minor Outlying Islands but I'm open to suggestions about the subcategory and how it may be recategorized. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:04, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
- Delete & Expand The subcategory consists of treaties that apply to the United States as a whole and therefore also apply to this, or any other, US Jurisdiction. The main article is already categorized so no need for a merger. RevelationDirect (talk) 00:31, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
- Delete including its subcat -- The subcat covers US National Treaties which (I assume) applies to all the Category:United States Minor Outlying Islands. I would be surprised if any of the treaties actually mention the reef specifically. Possibly it might be repurposed to apply to them all. I note a redirect relating to a treaty on road traffic, which can hardly be relevant to a reef with no roads and submerged at high tide. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:31, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
- Delete including its subcat per above. I have tagged the subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:36, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
Mosques in India by district
- Propose merging Category:Mosques in Kanyakumari district to Category:Mosques in Tamil Nadu and Category:Buildings and structures in Kanyakumari district
- Propose merging Category:Mosques in Coimbatore district to Category:Mosques in Tamil Nadu and Category:Coimbatore district
- Propose merging Category:Mosques in Dindigul district to Category:Mosques in Tamil Nadu and Category:Dindigul district
- Propose merging Category:Mosques in Kanchipuram district to Category:Mosques in Tamil Nadu and Category:Buildings and structures in Kanchipuram district
- Propose merging Category:Mosques in Madurai district to Category:Mosques in Tamil Nadu and Category:Madurai district
- Propose merging Category:Mosques in Nagapattinam district to Category:Mosques in Tamil Nadu and Category:Buildings and structures in Nagapattinam district
- Propose merging Category:Mosques in Thanjavur district to Category:Mosques in Tamil Nadu and Category:Buildings and structures in Thanjavur district
- Propose merging Category:Mosques in Tiruvallur district to Category:Mosques in Tamil Nadu and Category:Tiruvallur district
- Propose merging Category:Mosques in Pudukkottai district to Category:Mosques in Tamil Nadu and Category:Pudukkottai district
- Propose merging Category:Mosques in Ramanathapuram district to Category:Mosques in Tamil Nadu and Category:Ramanathapuram district
- Propose merging Category:Mosques in Salem district to Category:Mosques in Tamil Nadu and Category:Salem district
- Propose merging Category:Mosques in Tiruchirappalli district to Category:Mosques in Tamil Nadu and Category:Tiruchirappalli district
- Propose merging Category:Mosques in Ernakulam district to Category:Mosques in Kerala and Category:Places of worship in Ernakulam district
- Propose merging Category:Mosques in Kannur district to Category:Mosques in Kerala and Category:Places of worship in Kannur district
- Propose merging Category:Mosques in Kasaragod district to Category:Mosques in Kerala and Category:Places of worship in Kasaragod district
- Propose merging Category:Mosques in Kollam district to Category:Mosques in Kerala and Category:Places of worship in Kollam district
- Propose merging Category:Mosques in Kottayam district to Category:Mosques in Kerala and Category:Places of worship in Kottayam district
- Propose merging Category:Mosques in Kozhikode district to Category:Mosques in Kerala and Category:Places of worship in Kozhikode district
- Propose merging Category:Mosques in Malappuram district to Category:Mosques in Kerala and Category:Places of worship in Malappuram district
- Propose merging Category:Mosques in Thiruvananthapuram district to Category:Mosques in Kerala and Category:Places of worship in Thiruvananthapuram district
- Propose merging Category:Mosques in Thrissur district to Category:Mosques in Kerala and Category:Places of worship in Thrissur district
- Propose merging Category:Mosques in Wayanad district to Category:Mosques in Kerala and Category:Places of worship in Wayanad district
- Propose merging Category:Mosques in Gurdaspur district to Category:Mosques in Punjab, India and Category:Buildings and structures in Gurdaspur district
- Nominator's rationale: rename per WP:NARROWCAT and WP:SMALLCAT, diffusing mosques by district merely leads to dozens of tiny categories, it is makes more sense to categorize mosques at state level rather than at district level. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:17, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
- Comment to @Marcocapelle: in the nomination, I have taken the liberty of changing "Buildings and structures" to "Places of worship" where those categories exist. – Fayenatic London 15:41, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks! Marcocapelle (talk) 21:31, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
- Support all per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 17:14, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
- Support -- A few of these have enough content to keep, but most do not. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:22, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
Empty subcategories of Category:Redirects from non-English-language terms
The three I originally nominated:
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Category:Redirects from Eastern Min-language terms
Category:Redirects from Altai-language terms
Category:Redirects from Dharug-language terms
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- Mr. Guye, didn't we have this situation some time ago? The problem is not the category "not working", but the mismatch between the category (and article) name on one hand and the name expected by the templates on the other. If you spot any more of these, you can bring them up at Template talk:Lang instead of starting CfDs. Trappist the monk, would you be able to add "Dharug" (matching the title of our article) to the override tables used by Module:Lang? See also the several threads above. – Uanfala (talk) 04:23, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) I see a pattern. Most (if not every) empty subcategory of Category:Redirects from non-English-language terms is associated with an ISO 639 code that is not working with {{R from alternative language}}. — Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs) 04:28, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
- Comments in the collapsed box.—Trappist the monk (talk) 11:53, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
Category:Recipients of the Medal of Merit of the GDR
- Propose Deleting Category:Recipients of the Medal of Merit of the GDR
- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:V (and probably WP:OCAWARD)
- We don't have a main article on the Medal of Merit of the GDR and I'm having trouble confirming the existence of an award by that exact name. The category consists of two articles both on East German female rowers and both articles rely on the same citation for receiving award but that link is behind a paywall. I don't speak German but, depending on how you translate, there are a large numbers of similary sounding East German awards with "merit" in the name according to this informal list
so I'm wondering aloud if this is an alternate translation of another award. If I'm having trouble establishing the mere existence of an award it's unlikley to be defining to the articles. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:21, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
- There are articles about this award on the German and French Wikipedias; see D:Q2514512. The source does not sit behind a paywall but as per the tag, registration is required. They have set up a very clumsy registration process and without an ability to speak German you’d likely fail to register. Schwede66 10:19, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you for that background. Both articles have an offline book citation and a picture of the award, so the award does exist! We're still a long ways off from establishing it's defining-ness though. While I still favor deleting the category, creating an article would be welcome. RevelationDirect (talk) 23:31, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
- Well, if somebody would want to buy the book for me (cheapest on Amazon is Eur 11.50 including postage to New Zealand) I'd happily sit down and write that article. I wouldn't write it without having a book as it's too specialised; you couldn't pull meaningful content together from online sources on something like this. Google Books has snippet view only (which may be different for other editors; I know that often editors in the US have full access when I get snippet view only). According to WorldCat, the nearest physical library copy is in China; some 9,800 km away! Schwede66 23:46, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
- I get snippet view too (from the U.S.) I was hoping to collaborate here, but I think we've reached the end of the line. Thanks for the great responses! RevelationDirect (talk) 00:40, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you for that background. Both articles have an offline book citation and a picture of the award, so the award does exist! We're still a long ways off from establishing it's defining-ness though. While I still favor deleting the category, creating an article would be welcome. RevelationDirect (talk) 23:31, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
- Delete: doesn't appear to be a defining characteristic. Bondegezou (talk) 10:20, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
Category:Robot Hall of Fame inductees
- Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Robot Hall of Fame inductees
- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCAWARD (WP:DEFINING)
- The Robot Hall of Fame was an award given out between 2003 and 2012 by the Computer Science department of Carnegie-Mellon University. The category includes both fictional robots (Terminator, C-3PO) and real life ones (Roomba, Lego Mindstorms) and none of those four articles even mention this award. There used to be a display on the award at the Carnegie Science Center's RoboWorld exhibit according to this old link but the current RoboWorld link doesn't mention it anymore. This award doesn't seem defining and the contents of the cateogry are already listified here in the main article. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:18, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. And bit my shiny metal ass! Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 07:38, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Bondegezou (talk) 10:20, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
- DElete -- clearly a NN award. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:32, 30 March 2019 (UTC)