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February 22

Category:Subsystem

Nominator's rationale: Poorly defined scope. It could mean any number of things to different people. Currently, it's being treated as for software subsystems, judging from its members. It probably shouldn't be renamed to "Software subsystems" either, since that suffers from the same problems of poor definition and vagueness. 99Electrons (talk) 23:38, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: The category, as of nomination for CfD, had 11 entries. Seven are related to IBM subsystems which, including their precursors, are over 30 years old, and whose current implementations process a large percentage of all mainframe work. Of the remaining four, 2 have the name subsystem in their title and are Microsoft-related.

    CICS? If that's not a subsystem, stop the world - CICS and its play-a-likes (e.g. Uni-Kix, based on how some people say C-I-C-S and others say KICKS) are the "windows" to non-batch dating back longer than . . . ? That leaves just one: Interix. If that's vague, take out Interix. The rest are subsystems.

    What's interesting is that there are other articles that are about subsystems and are not tagged with Category:Subsystem. Since some are about hardware, I'd recommend either leaving it as, or renaming it "Subsystem (computing)" Pi314m (talk) 04:39, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Dispute: The nomination refers to a definition. There isn't even an article on Subsystem, just 2 sentences in another article, and a REDIRECT pointing to same. The first sentence
"A subsystem is a set of elements, which is a system itself, and a component of a larger system"
has no citation; the second sentence,
"A subsystem description is a system object that contains information defining the characteristics of an operating environment controlled by the system"
has an IBM citation.
What about WP:AfDisNotCleanup? That makes for 2 cleanups, (a) the Subsystem subsection of System and (b) adding more articles to Category:Subsystem. Pi314m (talk) 16:56, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Update: New pair of sentences added @ ===Subsystem===
The IBM Mainframe Job Entry Subsystem family (JES1, JES2, JES3, and their HASP/ASP predecessors) are examples. The main elements they have in common are the components that handle input, scheduling, spooling and output; they also have the ability to interact with local and remote operators. Pi314m (talk) 19:10, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Greek Orthodox Churches by US state

Nominator's rationale: merge, it is too early to diffuse Greek Orthodox churches by US state, even the parent Eastern Orthodox churches by US state categories are not very well populated yet. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:52, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Itzy songs

Nominator's rationale: Delete per WP:SMALLCAT and discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 February 17#Category:Itzy UnitedStatesian (talk) 21:47, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Category:African birds of prey

Nominator's rationale: Consistency (e.g. with Category:Birds of Africa and Category:Birds of prey of Sub-Saharan Africa) which imo is more important than avoiding slightly clunky title. DexDor (talk) 06:13, 29 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Rob13Talk 16:17, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Power microprocessors

Nominator's rationale: This category is for microprocessors that implement an ISA called the Power ISA, and describes itself as such, but it's title is missing "ISA", which could lead to it being confused with the earlier POWER ISA. 99Electrons (talk) 23:34, 29 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry - please clarify more. Aren't processors branded as "POWER processors", POWER processors, regardless of the ISA tweaks that might be present (perhaps because of evolving generations)? I don't see the distinction you are making, nor why it is useful to make that distinction, so as it stands, my vote would be to oppose. A really paranoid android (talk) 15:07, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The category is incorrectly titled. As stated in the category's introductory text, the category is for processors that implement the Power ISA, but the category's title does not reflect this. I don't understand why IBM's POWER processors are relevant to this discussion. 99Electrons (talk) 07:04, 2 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Power Architecture is not a instruction set architecture, but an obsolete marketing term promoted by IBM during the mid- and late-2000s. That there is a Power Architecture article to which Power ISA redirects to is disappointing. Renaming the category as such will only serve to confuse and render Wikipedia more inaccurate. 99Electrons (talk) 22:00, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Rob13Talk 10:36, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Birds of the Congo Basin

Nominator's rationale: Afaics no other flora/fauna is categorized for the Congo Basin region.  We have other categories that do a better job of providing comprehensive non-overlapping categorization (and the other categories are generally defined by countries so can be more easily matched to article text). Example previous similar CFD: Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2018_November_23#Category:Birds_of_Equatorial_Africa. Note: Few, if any, of the articles in the category (e.g. Western citril) mention the Congo Basin. Note: The creator of this category has been blocked. DexDor (talk) 07:18, 28 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I can be convinced to change my vote, but as it stands, this seems like a valid and useful category. The Congo Basin is a major geographical feature around which a certain set of unique flora and fauna would be expected to thrive. Central Africa seems like a larger, more general categorization. A really paranoid android (talk) 15:03, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Few, if any, articles in this category mention the Congo Basin; they mostly list the countries in which in the bird is found (e.g. see Blue-headed sunbird). So how should we decide whether or not an article belongs in the category rather than just being in the Central Africa parent (i.e. what would the inclusion criteria for this category be)?  In other words, even if this category might be useful to readers we don't have sufficient information (in articles) to support the category (unless we define Congo Basin by national boundaries - which wouldn't fit geographic reality).
For info: I'm trying to simplify and explain the organisms-of-place categorization scheme (see User:DexDor/BioGeoCat) with the aim to produce some guidelines; categories such as this (which don't mesh with the rest of the categorization) add to the complexity of the scheme.
For info, I've removed Kandt's waxbill from the category. DexDor (talk) 08:02, 1 January 2019 (UTC) Pinging User:Marvin The Paranoid. DexDor (talk) 13:30, 13 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Rob13Talk 10:20, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Political positions by person

Nominator's rationale: Ambiguous title. Political positions is not what this is about. Rathfelder (talk) 19:20, 28 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, most articles have "view" in the title. The subcategories should also be renamed. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:14, 28 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. I dunno why @Marcocapelle says most articles have "view" in the title.
I just used AWB to check Category:Political positions by person and all its subcats, and I found 60 articles whose title includes "political positions", but only 11 "political views". --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:02, 29 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Rob13Talk 10:15, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Category:East Tennessee State Lady Buccaneers basketball

Nominator's rationale: ETSU brand standards state, "All teams (mens and womens) should be referred to as Buccaneers, but Bucs is also acceptable." We happen to have Buccaneers and Lady Buccaneers categories. The category to be merged has two dependent subcategories that are not redundant and should be renamed at the same time: East Tennessee State Lady Buccaneers basketball coaches and East Tennessee State Lady Buccaneers basketball players. Raymie (t • c) 08:14, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Billcasey905 (talk) 13:56, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Spanish-language Mexican telenovelas

Nominator's rationale: Redundant category – all Mexican telenovelas are in Spanish. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 04:43, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People from the canton of Vaud

Nominator's rationale: Duplicate of Category:People from Vaud Robby (talk) 03:03, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
If someone wants to open a WP:RM discussion to move it back again, then we'll see what the outcome is ... but for now, the title should be Category:People from the canton of Vaud. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:38, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Since Category:People from the canton of Vaud has been emptied, this conversation might be moot. Liz Read! Talk! 02:05, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Not if there is a reverse merge. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:39, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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