Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 October 1

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October 1

Category:Fictional suicides

Propose renaming Category:Fictional suicides to Category:Fictional characters who committed suicide
Category:Suicides in Greek mythology to Category:Characters in Greek mythology who committed suicide

Nominator's rationale: Better description of category content. For example, Romeo is a character, not an act. 89.139.69.176 (talk) 22:21, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note While I personally don't care what to list this category as, I would like to point that the cat was originally listed as "character who committed.." before being changed due to this discussion. JDDJS (talk) 04:00, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - subcat of Category:Suicides, not to mention Category:Deaths. Oculi (talk) 09:54, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support, alignment with siblings e.g. Category:Ancient people who committed suicide‎ and with grandparent category Category:Fictional characters by behavior. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:32, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The nominator's premise is mistaken: long-standing English usage is that most words ending in -cide refer both to an act and the person who commits it. Possibly "homicide" is an exception, perhaps because it's commonly (I suspect informally) used to refer to the person killed, which would make this usage vague. Older usage is probably in line with the rest. But a suicide is the person who kills himself, a regicide is the person who kills the king, etc. Familiar examples might be "the Wood of the Suicides" in Dante, or Brutus and Cassius, the famous tyrannicides. P Aculeius (talk) 12:24, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fictional regicides

Propose renaming Category:Fictional regicides to Category:Fictional characters who committed regicide

Nominator's rationale: This is a better description of the category content - for example, King Claudius is a character who murdered his king, not the act of doing it. 89.139.69.176 (talk) 22:15, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - per the noms above and below, the present title conforms with the usual naming in the category tree Category:Deaths. Oculi (talk) 10:10, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: as explained above, established English usage supports the current title. P Aculeius (talk) 12:28, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep -- Those who signed the death warrant of Charles I of England were known as regicides. Regicide was not a separate crime from high treason. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:42, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fictional filicides

Propose renaming Category:Fictional filicides to Category:Fictional characters who committed filicide
Propose renaming Category:Fictional fratricides to Category:Fictional characters who committed fratricide
Propose renaming Category:Fictional mariticides to Category:Fictional characters who committed mariticide
Propose renaming Category:Fictional matricides to Category:Fictional characters who committed matricide

Nominator's rationale: This is the actual content of the categories, as well as matching the name of the parent category. 89.139.69.176 (talk) 21:56, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep all - subcats of Category:Familicides, Category:Filicides, Category:Fratricides, Category:Mariticides, Category:Matricides (perhaps surprisingly). Oculi (talk) 10:05, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Title is consistent with others of this type, and established English usage. P Aculeius (talk) 12:29, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Pro basketball players from Monrovia high School

Propose deleting Category:Pro basketball players from Monrovia high School - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Wrong namespace for article (article would be speediable anyway), and as a category, little to no potential for population beyond 2, and little to no encyclopedic value. —swpb^{T go beyond} 19:33, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Repurpose to Category:Alumni of Monrovia High School and remove the introductory article. The headnote should merely have a link to Monrovia High School. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:46, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Sitcoms without laugh tracks

Propose deleting Category:Sitcoms without laugh tracks - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Created by a banned user. Way too many sitcoms don't use a laugh track for this category to be relevant. Additionally, sitcoms filmed infront of a live studio audience would fall into a gray area. JDDJS (talk) 14:56, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Social economists

Propose deleting Category:Social economists - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: delete, we do not have an article on Social economics except as a redirect to Socioeconomics and I think that neither of the articles would belong in Category:Socioeconomics. No need to merge, the articles are already in the tree of Category:Economists by nationality. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:17, 7 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I could see a hypothetical biography subcategory under the Category:Socioeconomics tree, but this is under the Category:Social economy tree and I'm unclear on the inclusion criteria. RevelationDirect (talk) 03:36, 10 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Social economics is not the same as socioeconomics. It is a field in its own right. See for example here. Sooner or later there should be an article on social economics.--Ipigott (talk) 08:54, 11 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Ipigott: If you want to take a shot at creating a main article and find 5 biography articles that fit into that description, I'm more than happy to change my vote now or be open to recreating the category later. My only concern is with the category going before that main article that will establish that inclusion criteria within Wikpedia. RevelationDirect (talk) 09:57, 11 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps with Rosiestep's assistance?--Ipigott (talk) 10:31, 11 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Based on this link, it looks like social economics is a synonym of Behavioral economics. However neither of the two biographies in this category belongs in that area. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:53, 11 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ℯ xplicit 02:21, 31 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ℯ xplicit 04:13, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Empty manually by recategorizing and then delete. We have two articles, one on a French epidemiologist, who is already categorised as a French social scientist (and needs no more) and a Bangladeshi economist dealing with issues relating to the poor and deprived. She probably needs to be categorised instead as a Bangladeshi social scientist and a Bangladeshi economist (perhaps even a sociologist). Peterkingiron (talk) 15:52, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Vishnuvardhan Films

Propose deleting Category:Vishnuvardhan Films - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: An actor is not a defining characteristic for a film. (I know there's a guideline somewhere that talks about this but I can't find it at the moment. I'm sure some CfD regular can cite it!) Pichpich (talk) 02:53, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - see below. Oculi (talk) 09:33, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, this discussion on John Wayne was exactly my thought. I'm emptying the contents of this category. I will set this as mark to deletion.

Smjalageri (talk) 10:54, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per the John Wayne category and a long-standing precedent not to have categories for actors. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 16:36, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete -- a classic cast of a performance by performer category, which we do not allow: WP:OC#PERF. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:54, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Rajkumar Films

Propose deleting Category:Rajkumar Films - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: An actor is not a defining characteristic for a film. (I know there's a guideline somewhere that talks about this but I can't find it at the moment. I'm sure some CfD regular can cite it!) Pichpich (talk) 02:53, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Case for retaining Category:Rajkumar Films and Category:Vishnuvardhan Films

Lead Actor uniquely identifies the movie and that becomes a unique entity. Categories for the lead actor will help masses to identify the Wiki Page & access them with ease.

The categories for 2 Cultural Stalwarts of Kannada Filmdom were much needed and I have created them. Not just with respect to Film Noir, my intent was to spark adding categories for Kannada Literature, Sports, Politics and Economy. Movie Categories for Dr. Rajkumar & Dr. Vishnuvardhan are just the beginning.
In fact, I have modified the category names from Dr Rajkumar to Rajkumar, owing to guidance in Manual of Style. Thanks are due to @Zchrykng @Zchrykng: and @Chrissymad @Chrissymad: Smjalageri (talk) 04:10, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I look forward to debate on this.

Delete - such categories were all deleted long ago, eg here. There is already a fine list: Rajkumar filmography. Oculi (talk) 09:33, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per the John Wayne category and a long-standing precedent not to have categories for actors. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 16:36, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete -- a classic cast of a performance by performer category, which we do not allow: WP:OC#PERF. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:54, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]