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New stub on Kimberly Young

We are creating a new Wikipedia entry on Kimberly Young and have started with a stub entry.

Is it possible to redirect users to the 'Kimberly Young' stub if they search for, and find themselves at, 'Kimberly young' with the lower case 'y?'

We're also having trouble finding good sources of information on Kimberly Young. There is an abundance of biographical information she has written herself but we're struggling to find much else that can help start this entry other than what's already in our reference list. Is anyone else is interested in helping us build this stub into a full article?

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Tom Catterall and NickBushell (talk) 11:33, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Hey, guys, welcome to Wikipedia! For the specific case of capitalization, you don't have to worry about that; the MediaWiki software (which Wikipedia runs on) takes care of that, I believe. Try searching for "kimberly young"; it'll take you to your article regardless of capitalization. For the general case, we have things called redirects; they're basically separate pages that automatically reroute the user to a different page. A redirect page's only content will look something like: 
#REDIRECT [[Kimberly Young]]
When you get redirected, you'll see a little message saying "redirected from (pagename)" at the top of the page you end up on; it'll give you a link you can click on to see what the redirect looks like. Really, though, I wouldn't worry about redirects; it's usually not necessary to create them proactively unless there is an alternate term for the article's subject (such as how Sultan of Swat redirects to Babe Ruth), there are complicated characters in the title that you can't type easily (like how Pele redirects to Pelé), or the title is very easy to misspell. The redirect information page I linked above has some more specific guidelines on when redirects are necessary and when they're not. Hope this helps! Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 14:04, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for your reply Writ Keeper. Think we got a bit caught up on the little things. It would be great if you could keep an eye on the page we are building and let us know if we are going in the right direction! Thanks. Tom Catterall (talk) 16:47, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Editing an existing page with a sub content or creating a new page?

How do I know if a subject is important enough to grant itself a new wiki page or to make it a sub topic. My area of study is 'Online Gaming Addiction', currently there are Internet Addiction Disorder and Video Game Addiction pages but not a specific page dedicated to 'Online Gaming Addiction' (Benparcell (talk) 11:19, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Hey, Ben, and welcome to Wikipedia and the Teahouse! The guideline that governs whether a topic is worthy of its own article on Wikipedia is called notability. There are many different ways of judging notability, depending on the subject area, but probably the best place to start is what we call the "general notability guideline." Basically, if you can find multiple, independent (of each other *and* the subject of the article), reliable sources that have significant coverage of the topic (i.e., treatment of the subject in depth, not just a passing mention), then it's probably (although not *certainly*) notable enough for its own article. Purely off the top of my head, I'd guess that "online gaming addiction" is probably not distinct enough from the other two articles for its own, but if you have some sources that talk about online games in particular, by all means go for it! Thanks! Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 13:46, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Just a Quick Question

What is the differences between Notes and References? Some articles such as David Ogilvy (businessman) use both to refer to the text. Thanks in advance. Bossplw (talk) 10:03, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Hello Bossplw! The Wikipedia Manual of Style has a subpage at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Layout which describes the standard sections of a Wikipedia article, the part of the page titled "Notes and references" explains the uses of those terms. There are some differences between articles, but generally "references" includes the actual bibliographic information about books and magazines, etc. used in an article, while "notes" contains the information for the footnotes and "inline" citations used directly in the text. You can see in the article Plymouth Colony (one I worked on extensively) how in the "Notes" section, it says something like "Philbrick (2006) pp 7–13" or "Demos (1970) p 17" and in the "References" section, it has the full information on the books by Philbrick and by Demos. The idea is that for works which are referenced frequently in the text, you can include the full biblographic information once, and then refer to that single work multiple times. Does this help answer your question? --Jayron32 14:20, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
Thank you very much for you help. I did come across a page that attempted to explain but I found it hard to make sense of it. You have made it much easier to understand. Thanks again, Bossplw (talk) 21:25, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

How to create category & userbox for Wikipedians by alma mater: Downing College, Cambridge

hi, I spotted there's no category or userbox for Downing College, Cambridge, so drafted this http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Ekphraster/userboxes/Downing&action=edit

I'm not sure:

With thanks for your help Ekphraster (talk) 08:00, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi, in answer to your questions: 
{{usbk|User:Ekphraster/userboxes/Downing}}
  • Given the new box is going to be part of an established series, you might consider moving it into the main template namespace, e.g. to Template:user Cam Downing.

Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:25, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Excellent, thank you. Have tackled steps one & two, and will return to step three !

Ekphraster (talk) 08:40, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

How do you include a category in a user box?

I added several new user boxes but am unsure on how to include the right code so that they automatically include users in the category page. I want users who use the userbox to be included on the category page but how do I make this happen. For instance, when I include the userbox from Wikipedia:WikiProject Medicine, it automatically sorts anyone who chooses to use that userbox on the category page. How do I do this for the new userboxes I have created? Wikiworld2 (talk) 22:21, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

I assume you are talking about Wikipedia:WikiProject Addictions and recovery/userbox, right? You want to move out the category code from the <noinclude>...</noinclude> part and instead put it into an <includeonly>...</includeonly> part. "Noinclude" means that the category will contain only your original template page. "Includeonly" means that it will contain only the pages into which your template is pasted, but not the template page itself.
By the way, I'd recommend removing the categories "Addiction" and "recovery"; those are for mainspace articles, not project or user space pages. Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:27, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

The Teahouse

Hi, Is the Teahouse only a place were you can ask questions about wikipedia editing or can you ask general questions that may help with the article? And if not is there somewhere anyone can direct me to where i can ask general questions? Kate Carter-Rigg (talk) 01:48, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Hello Kate! You can get help at Wikipedia:Help desk for question regarding how to use, edit, or otherwise work within Wikipedia. You can also get answers to knowledge-based questions at Wikipedia:Reference desk. If you are having problems with a specific article, you can always try asking at the "Talk:" page for that article. Does that help you find what you are looking for? --Jayron32 04:42, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
Welcome, Kate! Feel free to ask any questions you have. If it's not something we know how to answer, we'll point you in the right direction. But you'd be amazed at the amount of stuff that folks around here know ;) So ask away! - J-Mo Talk to Me Email Me 16:43, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks its not really a complicated question. As part of my university course I have been asked to add to a article based on wikipedia and my tutor has told me off for referring to the world we live in as "reality" or "the real world" when comparing it to the virtual world due to the fact that their both kind of reality in a sense but now that he's said that while I'm writing I have to idea how to refer to what i would call "reality. I was wondering if any of you guys would have any clue as to what i could use? I know probably not relevant to the Teahouse but no-one is really paying much attention to the talk page as its a barely edited page so I removed it. Thanks Kate Carter-Rigg (talk) 01:24, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
It probably needs several terms, depending on what part of the article you are using it in. "Meatspace" is of course slang, and should be avoided, as should the term used most commonly by netizens, "Real Life" (or "Real Life ™ "). For the most part "face to face" or "physical presence" will serve fairly well. The situation will be clarified if it is realised that there is a wide range of Internet relationships, indeed most relationships in Western society have an Internet component, and the boundaries between the Internet and the rest if the world are becoming increasingly blurred. Rich Farmbrough, 01:18, 17 March 2012 (UTC).

PDF Confusion

There seems to be an unclear message about uploading PDFs to Wikipedia. I would like to use two documents for the article about April Masini (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Masini) but it is noted by editors that I should not use PDFs. I've seen a handful of articles that use PDFs as references, and am confused as to why I should not upload them. Can anyone help clarify? Thank you! GMHayes (talk) 01:14, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi GMHayes! I missed this, but answered via email. :) Generally there is nothing wrong with using PDFs - it is just a file format, and that's fine. The question isn't the format, but where the file came from, and can other people access it. For example, I reference PDFs that I own of academic papers all the time. There is no problem with them being in PDF format. Some of the PDFs aren't available online, but that's not a problem, either - so long as I provide enough information in the reference that someone interested could track them down, all is good. However, I couldn't reference, for example, a draft paper I was given by a colleague, as only the colleague and I have a copy, and no one else would be able to check the source. It would also be self-published (until she managed to get it into a journal, of course), and thus might not be considered reliable enough. It isn't the format that matters, in that case, but availability and reliability. - Bilby (talk) 04:55, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
Pdfs require more powerful equipment to render, and there are some security issues around the Adobe reader. Realistically, however these can only be reasons to prefer other formats, if they are available, just as we prefer sources in English to other languages. Also not that you are not "uploading" the pdf, just linking to it. there are certainly tens of thousands of pdf's lined to currently. Rich Farmbrough, 01:33, 17 March 2012 (UTC).

Linking to orphan articles

Hi, Teahouse! I've been editing for a month or two now, and I think I've got the hang of how to address most common issues that pages have. I am having trouble, however, with articles that have the "orphan" tag, i.e. ones that are not linked to by other articles. Is there a quicker way than manually searching for related articles and introducing links into them? This just doesn't seem like the simplest way to do it. Thanks for your help! Fred.Pendleton (talk) 22:39, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Orphan. I am not sure what you mean by quicker way than manually searching for related articles and introducing links into them! Where do you want to add links? In See also section or in article body as hyperlink? --Tito Dutta (Send me a message) 22:49, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
Here's a tip, Fred.Pendleton: When you search for a topic name such as "Lion" and there's an article on that topic, it will show up in bold Lion in the search box. Clicking that takes you right to the appropriate article on lions. But there is a second box right below that says "containing... Lion". Click that and you will get a list of every Wikipedia page with the word "lion" in it. Try it with your orphan article name and related terms. Those are logical articles to add links to your orphan article. I hope this helps, and I am glad that you are learning the ropes here. Take care. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 23:41, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the swift help, both of you. Somehow I'd convinced myself that the process is way more complicated than it actually is. Your help, in conjunction with Wikipedia:Orphan, has helped me to familiarize myself with the de-orphaning process. Cheers! Fred.Pendleton (talk) 23:56, 11 March 2012 (UTC)


Hi Fred. Here's what I do to help de-orphanize articles:
(1) I use Google's in-site search capability to search through English Wikipedia for the exact phrase of the concept. Do you know how to do that? If not, I'll give an example:
  • Static relay: [1] OK, that only came up with one hit, but at least you can see how to do the search. If you need further explanations on how to do the search, ask me here, or if I forget to monitor this page, on my Talk page.
(2) I use "Control F" to search within the articles that came up in my Google search, so that I don't have to read through the whole article to find the thing I want to link. So, if I had found a really long article that had the term "static relay" in it somewhere (that I could see on a Google snippet), I go to the article, click "edit", hit Control F, type in my exact phrase, and hit Next until I get to the mention that I want to then wikilink. (This won't be necessary in our current example, because only a short article came up, but Control F is useful to remember for future use.)
I hope that helps. Softlavender (talk) 10:05, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

This one is for the ladies! (New and experienced Wikipedians! :) )

Ok! This question is for female contributors to Wikipedia - new and experienced! This month is Women's History Month: have you edited any articles related to inspiring women recently that you'd like to share? Or is there a woman who has a Wikipedia article that inspires you? For me, I worked with another editor to make Louise Nevelson a good article a while ago, she's one of my favorite artists and was quite a cool and eccentric woman. What about you? :) SarahStierch (talk) 23:18, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Eleanor Roosevelt and Georgia O'Keeffe inspire me. Roosevelt, for her silent "dignity" hidden in her childhood, and O'Keeffe, for her beautiful paintings, and inspiring others that anything (even a cow bone) can be drawn beautifully. Rosalina2427 (talk) 00:04, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
  • (edit conflict) Good question! I like Louise Nevelson too, but I'm a bit partial to Georgia O'Keeffe. She greatly influenced my painting and sculpting in school. Fast forward a hundred years... I like reading about women like Libby Thompson, also known professionally as Squirrel Tooth Alice. Her hooker name cracks me up. You know that word game where you combine the name of your favorite pet and the street you grew up on? I would be Frisky Sycamore. HA! I haven't edited "Alice's" article yet, but I am determined to do so before this year is over! Right now, I'm working on developing an article about Eleanor Owen, founder of NAMI and a legend in the state of Washington. She's currently 91 years old and still going strong! Best regards, Cind.amuse (Cindy) 00:20, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
Oh yes, gotta love Ms. O'Keefe. She was pretty badass! Leave it to Cindy to teach us about someone new - Squirrel Tooth Alice, WOW. Add her to my "potential Halloween costumes" list :) SarahStierch (talk) 00:44, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
  • Hello Teahouse! Wow! I've learned so much just by reading the articles listed in this talk. I am in the process of creating an article about April Masini, who is a TV and film producer, author, and relationship expert. She has been a game changer, behind-the-scenes in the entertainment industry, especially in Hawaii. She's worked on Baywatch and Blue Crush, and has a handful of other cool gigs under her belt. She seems to be one of those ladies that is everywhere but you only see her for a second because she's already moved on to the next big thing! Needless to say, I find her interesting and am having a blast creating the article! It's been a challenge to reign in my excitement about her, and stay objective in my article (thanks, Sarah!). All for now. --GMHayes (talk) 22:32, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
  • In WikiProject Gastropods and WikiProject Bivalves we do have a few articles about women scientists, malacologists (zoologists who work on mollusks), but almost all of our biography articles still need a lot of expansion. For example, the American malacologist Ruth Turner was a very extraordinary woman; I worked indirectly for her for a couple of years at the Museum of Comparative Zoology in the early 1980s. Emily H. Vokes is another very good American malacologist who has just a little stub article that I started last December. Another woman scientist it would be nice to have an article for is the American malacologist Paula M. Mikkelsen, who is mentioned in several existing articles and whose publications are used as references in several articles. If anyone is inspired to work on any of these (or any other similar articles about female scientists), that would be great! Best wishes to all, Invertzoo (talk) 21:36, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
  • One thing I do is (apart from medical articles) try wherever possible to write authors' names in full in references (thus "Smith, Jane; Jones, Esme; etc") as it's interesting to see how many women are involved in publishing research (answer:lots) Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:31, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

I'd just like to offer the opinion that women's history might just as easily be one for the gentlemen as one for the ladies. FormerIP (talk) 22:38, 16 March 2012 (UTC)


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